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9/5/2010 8:40:18 PM
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topic:
BANA Tactile Diagram Guidelines
betty.marshall
Posts 29
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No one could have possibly foreseen how long it was going to take to complete the Guidelines and Standards for Tactile Graphics publication!! Even the committee members themselves have predicted several times that they were almost finished. It is my understanding that they have devoted the past year to addressing the many concerns expressed by the reviewers. They have now submitted a greatly revised edition to BANA for approval. I can certainly understand your frustration over which guidelines to follow in your transcriptions. Others have found themselves in a similar dilema. The best answer that I can give you to that when you work for several different agencies (or proofreaders), discuss and establish between the two of you what the expectations are for each particular contract before you get started.
NBA has already given workshops based on the DRAFT document, because the guidelines are generally based on "best practises" that have already been established by many individuals and agencies. Yes, there are a few instances where the guidelines will differ from the Guidelines for Math Diagrams, and those are the exceptions which will have to be discussed between the transcriber and proofreader. We are offering another tactile strand at the NBA conference in Raleigh, NC, in October. Even that material has been delayed in the writing stage in hopes of getting the very latest information from the committee that is working on the guidelines. Rest assured that there will be announcements from BANA and NBA when the guidelines are official adopted!
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9/5/2010 3:10:43 PM
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topic:
Orchestral reduction
musicbrl
Posts 27
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The clef signs, if you decide to include them, would be the first signs of music in each part, as part of the first measures, very much like hand signs. It is not necessary to restate the clefs in successive parallels. If there were hand signs, the clefs would follow the hand signs.
Larry
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9/5/2010 11:48:28 AM
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topic:
Orchestral reduction
unclegil
Posts 3
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Thanks for your thoughts, Larry. My feeling was that, because this is part of a university course outline, including as much information as possible from the print version might be a good idea. Now I'm wondering if in a little sonata for viola and cembalo, where the two clefs are different (C for the viola and F for the cembalo) it might be a good thing to include the clef signs in the transcription ... for the same reason, that for students, maybe maximum info is a good thing. That said, if they were shown, I wouldn't know where to place the clef signs on each parallel of the transcription. Neither BANA nor DeGarmo cover that situation.
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9/4/2010 8:51:37 PM
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topic:
Marginal Material in Nemeth
dworthing
Posts 143
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a - Should the marginal illustration be inserted on the line immediately following the lines where the words "Figure 2" and "Figure 4" appear in the text, or should it be inserted at the end of the completed sentence?
I would place the figures at the end of the paragraph in which they are cited. That's better than interrupting the text.
The captions for the figures (FIGURE 1, FIGURE 2, etc) would be in 7/5 as captions normally are. Tactile Graphics Guidelines propose that graphics be placed at the left margin for ease in finding them. Do not place your graphic so its left margin is indented as marginal material. No reference indicator is required for captions.
Should the margins for this note be cell 5 (heading) "Looking Ahead to Calculus" and 7/5 for the text portion of the note?
If you are going to make the decision to use cell 5 headings for a certain kind of marginal note (such as "Looking Ahead to Calculus") then just format the text following the heading as you would normally format it -- the paragraph would start in cell 3 with runovers in cell 1 and displayed items in 3/5.
If you want to treat this material as marginal material, with a general reference indicator (not a literary one) then your note will begin in 7 with runovers in 5, and the diplayed would have to be 7/9. In this event, the heading would probably have to become a paragraph heading on the same line as the following text. Be sure to look through your book to determine if there will be any comparable marginal material that could present a problem with your chosen format.
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9/4/2010 8:35:59 PM
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topic:
Abbreviations
dworthing
Posts 143
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Yes, single letter abbreviations require the letter indicator even though they are enclosed in grouping symbols.
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9/4/2010 8:34:12 PM
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topic:
table with computation
dworthing
Posts 143
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Your format is good. However, you must use the numeric indicator in your table because you would need guide dots, and there are minus signs in the table entries. I have attached a suggestion for another way to do the tables. I'm not saying you must do it my way, or even that my way is the correct way -- I'm just showing another option. Also, this is a sequentially numbered table in a technical text, so the table label must be on line 25 of every page to which the table extends. I am open to suggestions about ways to improve my attempt. I was trying to avoid having to key the summations at the bottom of the 3rd and 4th columns.
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9/4/2010 11:12:05 AM
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topic:
Orchestral reduction
musicbrl
Posts 27
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Hi Gil. It's good to hear from you again.
You can set this excerpt as a slight variant of the format for an accompanied solo. You can include any dynamics and other details in the "solo outline" line. You don't need to use the orchestral format, so no marginal abbreviations are necessary. If the information that it is for trumpet in E-flat and orchestral reduction is not included in the introductory text, you can put that in a TN above the excerpt. I think the term "orchestral reduction" clearly implies that it is for piano.
Glad you're back on the job.
Larry
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9/3/2010 7:39:34 PM
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topic:
BANA Tactile Diagram Guidelines
ozbee
Posts 9
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Help Betty,
I'm really frustrated with proofreaders telling me I'm doing something wrong because I'm not following the unpublished draft of the BANA Tactile Diagram Guidelines. Well, for 6 years I've been attending braille conferences, and it seems like the draft tactile guidelines have changed every year.
For years we were told not to follow the new guidelines until they were officially adopted by BANA, and that we should follow "Guidelines for Math Diagrams" when dealing with Nemeth Code. Considering the frequent changes to the guidelines, this seemed like a logical policy.
Has that changed officially now? That is, are we now supposed to follow the Draft Tactile Diagram Guidelines?
And if we are supposed to follow these new guidelines, how do we obtain access to them?
For example, do we follow the draft guidelines and omit the number indicator in xy coordinate grids, similar to number lines? Or do we follow GMD and include the number indicator in XY grids?
Konfused in Kalifornia
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9/3/2010 5:01:39 PM
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topic:
Marginal Material in Nemeth
ricia2001
Posts 9
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I am just starting to transcribe a portion of a college math book for a student. I have never really dealt with much "marginal material" and want to make sure I am doing it correctly. I have scanned 2 pages that are attached in a .pdf file, which illustrate my two main questions at this time.
FIRST PAGE (Figures)
1 - The last line of the first paragraph ends with the words "See Figure 1." The actual illustration in the margin is followed by the label "Figure 1".
a - Should I be using the General Reference Indicator (4, 3456) as stated in Nemeth Code, Rule VII, sec. 47, before the number 1 in the text and in the illustration label, or is this unnecessary?
b - I have moved the "Figure 1" label in the marginal material so that it precedes the actual illustrations. Is this correct?
c - My margins for the marginal materail are 7/5.
2 - For Figure 2 and Figure 4.....
a - Should the marginal illustration be inserted on the line immediately following the lines where the words "Figure 2" and "Figure 4" appear in the text, or should it be inserted at the end of the completed sentence?
3 - Figure 4 - Marginal Note
a - Should the margins be 7/5 for the note that accompanies the illustration for Figure 4?
SECOND PAGE (Marginal NOTE)
1 - Marginal NOTE:
a - Since this marginal material is not numbered and is not "related to any specific point in the text" (Formats Rule 12, Sec. 5b-1, pg. 130), I believe I should follow the Formats Rule and insert (2356, 2356) before the note, then place the marginal note after the paragraph that follows Figure 19 diagram.
b - Should the margins for this note be cell 5 (heading) "Looking Ahead to Calculus" and 7/5 for the text portion of the note?
If I have rambled too much and made no sense, please forgive me and just give me your advice on how this should be done. Thank you so much in advance. If there is any other information you need, please let me know. Thanks again.
Patty
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9/3/2010 2:40:13 PM
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topic:
full capitalization question
JanaBrailles
Posts 56
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Hello,
I am not sure why you were marked wrong. Perhaps asking NFB for clarification will provide the answer you need. They are not always correct ... so if you feel something was marked off in error, question it!  You are correct that the author's name must be in full capitals. Without seeing the print, the braille, and the explanation they gave you, I cn't answer your question any better.
Question them and let me know what thewy have to say Good luck!
Jana
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9/3/2010 9:44:58 AM
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topic:
Orchestral reduction
unclegil
Posts 3
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Hi Larry, Remember me? It's been a long time since I have had a paying transcription job, which is why the long silence. One of the excerpts I have to transcribe (from Haydn's Concerto for Trumpet) has a line for trumpet in E flat and beneath it, two staffs called "Orchestral Reduction." The entire notation certainly makes it look like it's meant to be played on the piano. My question is, how do I indicate at the left margin what the print shows, that "orchestral reduction" bit? Should I include a brief abbreviation, like "or" in the listing of the instruments at the top of the music? and then put that at the margin in each parallel, beneath the "tr" for the trumpet? Also, from looking at the sample scores in the Music Braille Code, I can't figure whether it is necessary to include the "E flat" in the abbreviation, since there is only one trumpet involved. I assume that I define the instrument as "Trumpet in E flat" at the top of the score but maybe do not need to include "E flat" in the marginal indication for that staff. Finally, I believe it is necessary for me to use the right- and left-hand signs to begin the staffs for the "orchestral reduction," since it is obviously intended to be played on the piano.
It's great to be working on something with a few challenges again.
Gil
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9/2/2010 4:10:03 PM
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topic:
full capitalization question
pasnys
Posts 4
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Thanks for your response. I'm still kind of confused though. I had this situation marked wrong on a certification exam. It was on the title page on the line for the author name which should be in all caps of course. I put the double capital sign in front of the whole last name (in front of the McDougall) and it was marked wrong. The only other thing on the line is the first name 'Sally' which I brailled using the 'ally' contraction and put the double capital sign in front of 'Sally'. That's why I figured I must have something wrong with the way I brailled the 'McDougall' name.
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9/2/2010 1:17:33 PM
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topic:
full capitalization question
JanaBrailles
Posts 56
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Hello,
Thanks for your question. If the name is McDOUGALL, you would single cap Mc Double cap DOUGALL. If the entire word is capitalized such as MCDOUGALL, only then would you use a double cap indicator in front of the entire word.
Hope this helps.
Jana
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9/2/2010 9:18:28 AM
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topic:
Juliet Pro 60
betty.marshall
Posts 29
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It seems that the answer is no, you cannot use the Juliet to embosse CorelDRAW files.
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9/2/2010 12:01:31 AM
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topic:
Juliet Pro 60
betty.marshall
Posts 29
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I will check with some of my other committee members and get an answer for you.
Betty
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9/1/2010 7:04:03 PM
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topic:
hyphen with contractions
joannavenneri
Posts 156
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Please see Formats Rule 1.4a-b for parts of words with and without hyphens. You are encouraged to send a scan of the full print page so that I see if there is a more complete answer to your question.
--Joanna
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9/1/2010 6:29:46 PM
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topic:
hyphen with contractions
bstpeter
Posts 2
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In an English workbook, I have several instances of -ing and -ed standing alone. I think it is brailled with the hyphen, no ELI, and the letters uncontracted. However, I cannot find the specific rule in Braille Formats. Can you give me the exact location? Thanks
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9/1/2010 6:06:57 PM
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topic:
variables in bold in a math text
pasnys
Posts 4
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I am pretty sure I read in the Nemeth codebook that if variables are listed in bold throughout a math book, in the explanatory portion of the math text, then italics which would indicate the bold can be omitted in the braille. But if variables were in bold in itemized exercises in the text, would I then go ahead and indicate the bold by using the italic indicator? Thanks for your advice on whether I am interpreting this correctly.
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9/1/2010 5:59:31 PM
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topic:
Supplementary title page in book done in Nemeth
pasnys
Posts 4
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I had a question about how a supplementary title page is treated in a math book to be transcribed in Nemeth code. Would it go by the literary rules just as the title page would? For example, if I have to braille the phrase "4th Edition" on this supplementary title page, can I use the 'th' contraction in 4th since literary rules allow it? I know the Nemeth rule would be to spell out 'th' in 4th, but I was assuming I could treat this page as literary like the title page. Thanks for your help.
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9/1/2010 5:51:25 PM
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topic:
full capitalization question
pasnys
Posts 4
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I was wondering how to fully capitalize a name such as McDougall. At first I was just going to put the double capital sign in front of the whole name. Then I thought maybe I need to put a double capital sign in front of Mc and then put a second double capital sign in front of 'Dougall'. Would this second way be correct? Thank you.
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