reference symbols within Nemeth switches
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November 21, 2024 at 6:05 pm #43261SHELLEE KOTSCHWARParticipant
Hi Lindy,
I have have section sign and double vertical bar in print as references. Is it ok to use the dots 4, 6s and 4, 6|| as Nemeth references? New code no longer has the paragraph or the section marks 4, 6s and 4, 6p. I am wondering if because they can be used as signs of operation if that would be a conflict even though I have them listed on SSpg with explanation? Thank you
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You must be logged in to view attached files.November 21, 2024 at 7:45 pm #43263Lindy WaltonModeratorShellee,
What a find! This is indeed an unusual collection of reference marks. I think it would be best to transcribe as many of them in UEB as possible. Some of them will be transcribed in UEB already; for the others you can terminate Nemeth and then insert the UEB symbol. UEB has specific symbols for the dagger, double dagger, section sign, and paragraph sign. (See UEB page 20.) You would need to devise shape symbols for the star and the double vertical bar according to UEB 3.22.
Good luck. Let me know if you come upon further issues.
-Lindy
November 22, 2024 at 9:49 am #43265SHELLEE KOTSCHWARParticipantJust to be clear; it is permissible to switch out of Nemeth, enter a UEB symbol, and switch back into Nemeth when the referenced material is mathematical.?. Nemeth Code 2022 lists Nemeth references in Rule 9. I have used those symbols when inside switches. The ones that are confusing me are the section sign and the double vertical bar for which there are no Nemeth reference symbols. I have devised a symbol for those and maintained the Nemeth thread as this is my understanding of keeping the reference symbol inside the switches when referenced material in the body of the table is mathematical.... am I wrong?
I think what is confusing me is when Rule 9 says Unified English Braille symbols must not be used.
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You must be logged in to view attached files.November 22, 2024 at 2:20 pm #43267Lindy WaltonModeratorThank you for following up on this topic. Here is my long answer.
It is not a requirement for the reference symbol to be in the same code as its reference point. Depending on how you format this table, Nemeth may not be continuing after the referenced material. (That is how I was imagining it when I looked at the print.) I do agree with you, though, that it would be rather bulky to switch out of Nemeth, enter a UEB symbol, and switch back into Nemeth simply to avoid devising a symbol for the reference marker. However, in this case, you will not need to devise a symbol. Nemeth symbols already exist for the two in question (the section sign and the double bar).
The point being made in Rule 9 about UEB reference symbols not being used means UEB symbols cannot be used inside the switches. This applies to any braille construction, not just reference symbols. (A noted exception is icons.) There are other scenarios when one must terminate Nemeth in order to braille a UEB symbol, then switch back into Nemeth to continue; so this practice is allowed if that is your preference.
You will notice that the four reference symbols listed in Rule 9 of the Nemeth code (asterisk, single dagger, double dagger, and star) are the same exact constructions as their operation sign counterparts in Rule 20. These are not new symbols, they are just listed as possible reference signs. There is no reason you cannot go ahead and use the Nemeth section symbol and the Nemeth double bar symbol as reference symbols even though they are not listed as such in Rule 9.* Use (1256, 1256) for the double bar. (Dots 4, 6 do not hold special meaning.) Follow the spacing rules for symbols of reference which are stated in NC 9.3.
Since the section symbol and double bar symbol are existing Nemeth symbols, there is no need to explain their usage in a transcriber's note unless you feel it would be helpful for the reader to be prepared that they do not hold mathematical meaning in this case.
As you noted in the last paragraph of NC 9.1, if you are using the Nemeth symbol in the text, you must also use the Nemeth symbol in the note itself. This may require the addition of code switch indicators depending on what precedes and follows the reference symbol in the note.
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* I thought it would be funny to include a footnote to my commentary. The paragraph sign and the section signs as reference markers were removed from the updated code book because it was thought that this usage was obsolete. It looks like you have found an exception! I'm wondering what the copyright date is on this material?
November 22, 2024 at 7:10 pm #43270SHELLEE KOTSCHWARParticipantIt is an article from the New England Journal of Medicine copyright 2020. This is for a college student. Thank you for your help ... sometime things get fuzzy in this old brain. "may be used" is something I knew and should have remembered. Again, Thanks!!
November 22, 2024 at 7:12 pm #43271SHELLEE KOTSCHWARParticipantOne more note... I devised the shape symbol. 1246,ss and 1246db. I don't think I have broken any rules and at this level the student should be able to understand.
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