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betty.marshallParticipantFollowing the 2011 Guidelines (for both Nemeth and EBAE) and incorporating the UEB Technical Guidelines (4.4.2 first bullet), you would omit the grade 1 indicator for all capital letters and include it for all lowercase letters (including a, I, and o).
Note: If there is no reason to show the diagram within Nemeth switch indicators…keep it in UEB. (The letters on your example of a triangle are simply labels, not mathematical expressions.)
Betty
betty.marshallParticipantThanks for your question. I haven't done any transcribing using UEB and Nemeth within switches, so have asked for feedback from some other committee members. We'll get back to you!
betty.marshallParticipantHi Linda,
Since I believe you are talking about a workshop which I gave, I will respond to your question (rather than Rebecca). I don't have any answers to the problem you are having, but do have a few additional questions. It sounds as though you are using the same Tiger embosser as when it previously worked, so are you perhaps using a new version of Word? Or perhaps using a different version of Windows? I no longer have access to the Tiger embosser I was using at work, so cannot check any settings. If you could also state what type of Tiger embosser you are using, perhaps someone else could "chime in" with some advise. Have you contacted ViewPlus to see if they can offer any advice? Please post additional information, and we'll see if someone can help.
Betty
betty.marshallParticipantSorry! ... I meant to say that you could contact ViewPlus (the company that distributes the Tiger embossers) for help.
We also have ViewPlus doing a presentation at our NBA fall conference in St Louis. If you are attending the conference, be sure to sign up for their session!
Betty
betty.marshallParticipantI haven't heard of anyone else using MS Publisher to emboss on the Tiger. I know that some people use Microsoft Word and others use Adobe Illustrator. Personally, I use CorelDRAW.
There are just so many variables that could be causing your difficulty!! If your solid 2.5 lines is black, you could try using a gray color, which will not emboss as high.
I suggest that you try out a sample of page of just lines. Make them various thicknesses, and vary the color from black to several shade of gray and emboss it to see how that works. Generally, you will have to do the same thing (on a different page) with texture samples to see how the embosser handles them as well. I really am not familiar with the settings that are available in Publisher.
You should have white space behind the numbers if they are situated on top of the background grid. Are you using the Braille29 font at 29 pt size for the braille labels? That is essential when using the Tiger.
Hopefully if anyone else has experience with Publisher, they will post something that may be of help to you. You could also
Keep trying. Good luck!
Bettybetty.marshallParticipantThis is a great question!! I've certainly struggled with this issue myself and haven't come up with any solution. Hopefully someone else reading this post will come up with a suggestion.
I know that for other problems with static I have used a Bounce dryer sheet, but don't know how (or if!) it would work with thermoform plastic.
betty.marshallParticipantI hope that anyone reading this post will jump in and add their comments!
The office where I used to work started out with the Tactile Image Enhancer (TIE) along with Flexipaper from Repro-Tronics Inc. They later moved to a high-end machine built in Japan by Matsumoto and purchased through JP Trading. It was very dependable, quick to process, and resulted in a high quality image (the results being also dependent on the quality (dark image) of the photocopier to which it was printed). They bought microcapsule paper from American Thermoform.
I'm looking forward to seeing more feedback with regard to what others are using!
Betty
betty.marshallParticipantThe ampersand symbol at the bottom of page 50 (under Misc Symbols) of Guidelines for Technical Material was corrected in an update on in August 2014. The 5-page Errata can be found on the BANA website. I'll attach an image of what it says. I'll also attach an image of what you should look for on the BANA website under Code Books and Guidelines. Hope this helps.
Betty Marshall
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You must be logged in to view attached files.betty.marshallParticipantAlso, if you were to key one of these (I've attached another example with a few more labeled components), would it be better to use a numeric key or to use different line textures to distinguish between the different lines represented?
Thanks,
Rebeccabetty.marshallParticipantWere you able to emboss from previous versions of CorelDRAW?? I assume that you know to go to Print, rather than Emboss? Are you able to print the file to as simbraille to a regular printer? That would help to determine whether the issue is with the CoreDRAW file or with the embosser/printer.
Next week at the NBA conference in Louisville, we are having a workshop by one of the staff at ViewPlus Technologies. I have asked that they include information on how to set up the print drivers and how to print from various software. Is there any chance that you could still register to attend this workshop on Saturday morning (October 24)? I used to print directly from CorelDRAW (version 5) to the Tiger Max when I was working in an office that had the Tiger Max.
Have you contacted ViewPlus directly? Can you shed any light on what steps you are taking and what exactly is going wrong? Additional information is necessary in order to trouble shoot what is happening.
Bettybetty.marshallParticipantThank you so much, Betty! This is very helpful, and I appreciate the tips for simplifying the graphics for early grades.
Susanbetty.marshallParticipantThanks for posting your question. I believe that this type of graphic falls under the category of Charts and Graphic Organizers (Section 7.7 of Guidelines and Standards for Tactile Graphics). 7.7.1.1 says "Every attempt must be made to place an organizational chart on one tactile page. If this is not possible, a fold-out page, which is preferable, or facing pages can be used." It then refers to Appendix D, where in D.3.5.1 it describes how to create a fold-out page.
I realize that this tree structure is not the same as an organizational chart, but I believe that you should follow the same principles. For a tress with multiple columns, the headings could be keyed to conserve space. And although I cannot point you to a specific rule, yes, I do treat the columns to the right as table headings above a braille separation line. Even though treating this partially like a table, it is not necessary to use rows of boxing lines across a tactile graphic. If the column headings are keyed, it is not likely that you will need to use guide dots between the columns, but in some cases you may need to. Do not, however, use guide dots on the left side of the tree structure where the lines are shown, use them only as necessary for the braille columns of information.
I have never seen the use of a key number indicating a continuation on the next page, apart from where it is used in Chemistry Code to illustrate the structure of bonds. It would certainly not be my first choice for this type of diagram.
The lines themselves can be lengthened or shortened as needed, and can be "spread open" wider to allow them to align with the braille text. It seems to me that the example you provided at the top of your attached print page, should fit nicely on one page (if the headings are keyed). For more extensive diagrams I would recommend that you use a fold-out page.
I hope this satisfactorily answers your questions.
Bettybetty.marshallParticipantI think that most of us struggle with this dilemma! With so many new codes coming out in a relatively short time, the various committees are busy working on updates (which are not yet available for our reference). When the Guideines and Standards for Tactile Graphics was initially written, they followed the (then)current practice for omitting TN symbols on a label inserted by the transcriber as a description (Picture, Graph, Map, etc.) of what the caption is applied to. When Braille Formats Principles of Print-to-Braille Transcription was published the following year, it presented a new and different way to handle the identifier which was NOT in print, but in fact was added by the transcriber. In the 2nd paragraph of the Preface (page xi,) in Braille Formats, it explains a similar dilemma that existed between English Braille American Edition and Braille Formats, and in the 3rd paragraph between Foreign Language Guidelines and Braille Formats. In both instances, it states that, where there are conflicts, Braille Formats should be followed. For the sake of consistency throughout a volume I would [u]probably[/u] follow the formats rule and use TN symbols. Having said that, however, you should be aware that the committee working on updating Guidelines and Standards for Tactile Graphics has said that its guidelines should continued to be used for creating tactiles until updates are posted on the BANA website. Guidelines and Standards for Tactile Graphics, and Braille Formats Principles for Print-to-Braille both describe themselves as being [u]guidelines[/u] rather than rules. Therefore, use your discretion (or follow the policy of the agency for whom you are working) and then be consistent with whichever decision you make.
betty.marshallParticipantThis is a particularly difficult print diagram to present in braille as a tactile. In order to be of any use it would have to be considerably simplified, and parts of it would need to be explained in a transcriber's note. I have consulted with a couple of committee members and come up with what we would attempt to do with your example map and questions. Unfortunately many of the details are not legible on the .pdf file. Please see attached description of a possible solution. Hope this helps!
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