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Hello Barbara,
UEB 11.7 may help you.
***Also, Section 13.7 of the UEB Lesson manual. This explains it very well. I would start here.***
The Lesson manual UEB Section 18.2e describes listing "two or more symbols in a transcriber's note ...."
I hope this helps.
Candace Richardson
Thank you for answering my million questions. I wish we could use an indicator (symbol, word, and passage) strictly for small caps--vs. a subjective opinion. I understand your answer but if we used a small cap indicator, there would be no need to ascertain "which emphasis to retain and which is not necessary." It seems as though that is undermining the decision of the print copy editor who wanted to show the text in small caps, period.
Looking through the UEB symbols list, I'm amazed at the effort to show the braille reader as much as possible of the print copy. For example, there are indicators for the size and direction of arrows. Yet for as something as common as small caps, there is no simple indicator.
Sincerely,
Candace Richardson
Hi Cindi,
Thank you for answering my question about the title page and the terminator. The title page answer will finally answer one of our eternal questions, LOL.
I don't understand your answer to the terminator question because the contraction can't be used without the terminator to stop the grade 1 mode. 4you.com Why not let the grade 1 mode continue? Putting in the terminator adds a cell and using the ou contraction takes out a cell--cancelling each other out.
These are two of about 12 questions I have submitted to Jenifer Dunnam of the NFB when I realized that the NFB actually writes the manual and grades the manuscripts.
Thank you,
Candace Richardson
Hi Cindi,
Thank you!
I ended up sending about 9 more questions to Jennifer Dunnam once I realized that it's the NFB who's in charge of the manual, etc., so we're eagerly waiting for her answers. Her answers will finally put an end to our "lively discussions" until someone spots something else, and then it's off to the races again, LOL.
Please let me know if you'd be interested in these questions and answers.
Candace Richardson
Hi Cindi,
I mistakenly believed that the NBA, as a service to the NFB, wrote the lesson manual as well as the Ask An Expert column as a resource for students and transcribers--a "final word on the matter." Since reading your email, I have emailed the NFB to ask whom I should send our (million) questions to about the lessons. I'm sure that by now you've come across my additional questions and I can only apologize. Please don't take up your time to answer them as I will send them on to the NFB.
The division of symbols-sequences. Our agency, if space allows, requires the transcriber to divide a hyphenated word at the end of a line after the hyphen. A student was counted off for that (after we stressed it all year). The comment was "Hyphenated Compound words on pages ... should not be divided between lines. (UEB 10.13) (BF 1, 10) ." The compound hyphenated words were tight-knit, middle-class, second-generation, and dog-tired. I'm completely baffled by the references. They didn't mention 20.5 which we were directed to in a previous inquiry when we were shocked by the comment.
On to the ISBN number. When I joined the NBA, I spent one Sat. night (because I don't have a life, LOL) printing Q&As that clarified issues for us. In response to a question about dividing the ISBN phrase, Julie answered in #31152: "There is no reason to divide 'Transcription of ISBN.'" I printed this and gave copies to other transcribers, which caused disagreements, which led me to ask the column for confirmation. This was also the case for following print for divided words between pages. There were some who, even after I presented the page from Braille Formats, insisted that had changed since its publication. Agggg.
Again I apologize for sending questions to be clarified when they should be sent to the NFB. I won't ask questions about the lessons anymore and thank you for your patience and assistance with ALL of my questions.
Candace Richardson
Hello Julie,
Thank you for explaining the use of small caps as well answering the (cont.) question.
Hope you either write the next Lesson manual or at least have input. The explanations of concepts are sometimes so hard to understand and apply.
Candace Richardson
And then do I list them separately on the Special Symbols page or as all one symbol with the colors listed below the first symbol? in dot order?
As usual, our wonderful leader here in Jacksonville, FL, Lynnette Taylor, found the answer for me.
The Lesson Manual is incorrect with Drill 37, Sentence 5 and Sentence 23 of the Lesson 15 exercise.
Drill 37, Sentence 5. "... say goodbye to S.. D.... ..." The Drill answer key shows a grade 1 indicator before the S and the D. This is incorrect, according to the UEB Rules.
Lynnette directed me to UEB Rules, Section 10.12.13, page 160, Omitted Letters. The section shows several examples of periods used as omission without the grade 1 indicator.
My thinking was correct, OH Happy Day.
Thank you anyway. You've helped me previously several times.
Candace Richardson
Can I think of it this way?
The grade 1 symbol indicator is for groups of letters, such as alt, hm, imm that could be read as a shortform and single letters such as :e to be read as an e and not every.
The grade 1 word indicator is for actual words or symbols-sequences such as ::u-n-t-i-d-y.
Thank you again,
Candace Richardson
Thank you for your prompt answer.
Would this be one of the new rules of UEB?
I ask because in the EBAE Manual, Fifth Edition, 2009, Section 8.2b, the contraction ea is not used "... in uneasy, anteater, or northeast because it would not be used in easy, eater, or east." Yet, in the UEB Rules, Second Edition, 2013, the ea contraction is used in northeast.
I will share your answer with other EBAE transcribers trying to adjust to UEB. Agggg!
Thank you,
Candace Richardson
Are there any plans to rewrite the manual? It's a mess. The sentence you refer to in Lesson 20 reads: "Start the first chapter on a new braille page, and do not divide symbols-sequences between lines unless they are too long to fit on one line." Why would these two rules appear in the SAME sentence? Why would the manual refer to dividing symbols-sequences under 20.5 Beginning Pages? That's the problem with the whole manual--it's not organized so that all of the information for each topic is listed with the topic. The instructions for the words THE END are under 20.3, Choosing a Book for the Manuscript. (?) One has to literally go through the last chapters line by line several times to find all of the important references/rules because the information is so scattered.
Regarding the answer "unless they are too long to fit on one line," okay, I'm an idiot, but why else would I divide a symbols-sequence? So, to me, the answer doesn't make any sense. If a symbols-sequence is too long for one line and the transcriber divides it using a hyphen as in print, why are points taken off?
Will you please explain why there are two sets of rules, one for the manuscript and then the UEB rules? The word division rule is extremely important, something a transcriber learns, remembers, and applies. Why should the manuscript rule for word division be different? Use one rule, Lesson 20, 20.5, for your manuscript and then when you actually transcribe a book, use another rule, UEB 8.4.3. Who benefits by having two rules?
Thank you,
C. Richardson
