Chris Clemens
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Hello Mark,
I am curious as to why "sh," as an admonition to silence, would be preceded by an apostrophe. Are you certain it is an apostrophe, or is it a single opening quotion mark? At any rate, it makes no difference with regard to the "sh" ... It should not be contracted. In addition, thew, regardless of its meaning, would be contracted using the "the" contraction. Remember, your task is to follow print. 🙂
Jana
Chris ClemensKeymasterHello there,
There is nothing in the Instruction Manual that says you must start your certification manual with Chapter One of your book. As long as preliminary pages are in order, it is my understanding that you may start anywhere. If your student starts at Chapter Eight, that must be reflected in the Table of Contents. Just remember, the certification manuscript is a test of the rules and format for literary braille and directions are given in Chapter 20.
I hope this helps. Happy New Year!
Jana
Chris ClemensKeymasterBecky,
Thanks for your question. Since this is part of your manuscript, (and a test of your knowledge of the format and rules for literary braille),please refer to Section 17.6 in your Instruction Manual regarding Credit Lines/Attributions. This should answer your question.
Happy New Year and wishing you thes best with your manuscript.Jana
Chris ClemensKeymasterIn an equation made up of words you may use contractions in words that are not next to an operation sign or a comparison sign. In your example, all of the words would have to be uncontracted because "original" is next to the comparison sign and "discount" is next to the operation sign and the following comparison sign. You do not leave any spaces between the operation sign and the words. You would use (ed)4 for the boxes (if they are squares) and space them as if they are what they represent -- in this case a number. If the sentence expression must be divided at the end of the line, you must divide first of all before a comparison sign, just as you would with an equation composed of numbers.
Chris ClemensKeymasterThank you!
LauraChris ClemensKeymasterThat is a good suggestion. Thanks.
It's good that you are discussing it though. I don't believe that there has ever really been time for the best minds to consider this. The person who told me to use Nemeth and following spacing and capping in print also said to do that "for now, until we figure this out". This was about 10 years ago.
Thanks as always. bt
Chris ClemensKeymasterIf you have not been instructed to braille the material as consumable (with the intention that the student will braille or write on the actual embossed copy) you will not include any accomodations for the student to enter answers to questions. Even then, I would think the student would be re-writing the expression with the parentheses in place, and not actually trying to enter them into the embossed text. If you have been told to leave room for inserting the parentheses, you would have to insert spaces between each number and operation sign so that you wouldn't give away the correct answer by the spaces you added.
Chris ClemensKeymasterThe margin in effect is not part of the Nemeth Code or Braille Formats. Follow Braille Formats rules for any formatting that is not defined by the Nemeth Code for use in Nemeth transcriptions. When the 2007 Update to the Nemeth Code was adopted, it replaced all previous updates to the Code. Although there is no official update document for the Nemeth Course, if an item in the Course errata is not supported by the Code itself or the Update (2007) or any subsequent updates as posted on BANA's website, it should not be followed.
edited by dworthing on 1/5/2011Chris ClemensKeymasterNo, you do not need the English Letter Indicator in the case you mention. The equal sign is still considered to be next to the letter C even though it has been placed on a new braille line because it is all part of the expression. If the equal sign starts a new sentence following a period, then it would not be considered to be adjacent to the preceding letter.
Chris ClemensKeymasterHi Barbara. I'm sorry to be so slow in answering this, but we are still discussing the question. Are all of the letters in your screens capitalized? If so, the suggestion is to insert a tn stating that all of the letters are uppercase but you are not transcribing them that way, then you don't have to deal with the cap signs. If not, let me know because I will need to get a consensus on the issue.
Chris ClemensKeymasterDonna,
Glad I was able to help and clarify for you. I also teach from the NLS Instruction Manual for Braille Transctibing, 5th Edition, and I have to agree with you regarding the division of words. I do think it is important to be able to divide, but the reality is almost everyone (at least the agencies I am affiliated with) specifies not to divide words, but rather take them to the next line. There is a lot of time and energy spent on this task only to then tell the student, "oh by the way, you no longer need to divide your words." There are a good many discrepancies in this new manual ... and a good many inconsistencies, yet we still have no errata ...
Happy New Year! Maybe there will be an errata out sometime this year? 🙂
JanaChris ClemensKeymasterHi Jana-
I teach at a university and came across this from a student on a project they were doing. I am aware of the new rule about dividing words not being required, but didn't know how to handle their word division, as I wasn't sure if what they did with hyphening the word was actually "correct" or not.
Thanks so much for your clarification, it is greatly appreciated. I am constantly amazed at some of the unusual things I get from my students, and this was one I just wasn't sure what to do with, nor could I find the answer.
On a side note, I have to say that it is rather contradictory that the Instruction Manual for Braille Transcribing (the book we use here) teaches you to divide words between lines in lesson 2, but then suddenly in lesson 12 they tell you stop. I understand the need to still learn this skill why it it "fits" in lesson 2, but I just think there should be a better explanation of its current usage there. I wonder how others feel about this . . .
Many thanks and Happy New Year to you as well!!!
Donna
Chris ClemensKeymasterTim,
You would use the contractions to represent the words in print ... it is not up to you to determine what the author is trying to relay ... if it says "go" then you braille the contracted form of go. If it says "you", then use the contraction for you.
Happy New Year!
JanaChris ClemensKeymasterDonna,
The divided word academic would not be misread as according if you were to divide it after the ac. The short form word "according" must stand alone, therefore it would not be followed by a hyphen. I am curious as to why are you dividing words to begin with? The certification manuscript no longer requires that words be divided between lines, unless they are hyphenated compound words.
Happy New Year!
JanaChris ClemensKeymasterThanks Jana! After I saw your reply I looked at the second sample title page at the end of "Drills" and it's done just the way you said it ought to be... only one line between the title and author.
Thanks so much,
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