Chris Clemens
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Please refer to the answers that have already been added to this question under the Nemeth section of the Forum.
I, too, am very uncomfortable making a suggestion contrary to what the Guidelines and Standards propose. Having said that, they [u]are[/u] guidelines. Rather than using the shape indicator, as you suggested, I think you would be better to use an alphabetic key. As stated on the Nemeth section of the Forum, students are usually give classroom manipulatives (Base 10 blocks) when working with this concept. One of the textbooks that I transcribed used the terms cubes, flats, rods, and ones, but you should use the same terminology as is used in the surrounding text of your book. Obviously, since the contraction for one is only 2 cells, it would not have to be keyed.
At times, these are depicted with a group of 10's being moved to the ones to show the carrying of numbers for subtraction, or vice versa for addition. In such a case you would still need a tactile graphic to circle the symbols used and an arrow showing where they are moving. Alternatively, if you are going to have to create a tactile anyway (to show movement), you could make a simplified shape (a large square for 100 without showing the individual squares, a long rectangle for the 10's without showing the individual squares, and a small square for the ones). These would also have to be explained in a transcriber's note. In books where there are several pages of Base 10 blocks the first couple at least should be done as tactiles according to the Guidelines and Standards, and then your modified method explained and used for the rest.Betty
It looks like there's been a mix-up. There are 6 files. Five of them are very interesting print pages from a French book. I don't see any questions. The 6th page is simbraille with some questions, but the simbraille and the questions don't have anything to do with the French. The simbraille is Nemeth and the questions seems to be about that. Again, I see no questions about the French.
Please advise.
--Joanna
It doesn't matter. In this case, the directions are in the form of a numbered item. So treat that as any other numbered item in this particular exercise, have a blank line after it and treat these as a matching exercises and follow 10.9 and 10.9.1 and 10.9.2 and anything else there. See the examples given for this also. It looks like this might fit across the page, but you'll have to try it. I can't always tell by looking. So, this is matching and don't treat these as subentries. Only the left (or first) column is lettered, just like in print. And insert a blank line after before going on to the next question.
--Joanna
I recently transcribed a book with these types of base-10 blocks showing borrowing and carrying. I did them as tactiles so obviously I don't have a better suggestion for you. I can't advocate for anything other than the sanctioned way. Perhaps someone else can offer a suggestion?
Which rule is it that states that only one line can be left between the title and author on the title page? I am running into the same situation (many blank lines on the title page) and the wording in the manual does not make it clear to me that only one line can be skipped between the title and author. Thanks
Now you're asking about a list ending on line 25. That is a slightly different situation than regular text that ends on 25. Lynnette has suggested consulting Appendix C in Formats, which is all about blank lines. There's a section on page C-5 about blank lines and the page turn indicator. Try that and please let us know if that helps.
--Joanna
So, if a list, paragraph, displayed material, attribution, etc. ends on line 25 of print page b46, a centered heading can be placed on line one of print page c46 (assuming no running heads)? I don't understand why the blank line following the preceding material is implied and understood in this situation, but not with a page change indicator.
I have conferred with Lynnette Taylor on this. The new braille page and the change of format to heading is easily read as the change in context that it is and therefore the heading is on line 1 of the new braille page when there is no running head. The blank line following the preceding material is implied and understood by the reader. The relevant new page factor is that it is a new braille page. Whether this new page is also a new print page or the continuation of the current print page is not relevant.
edited by joannavenneri on 4/18/2013I'm not sure how you are dividing the volume or where the note section is in braille. Is the note section also at the end of the book in braille? Is this note section the last item in the book? What comes after the note section? Is there enough material after the note section remainder to comprise another full volume?
--Joanna
There is a blank line after the line of poetry in example 3-4 because poetry requires a blank line at the end of the poem. The examples assumes the narrative text is a discussion following the poetic play.
Sample 4-1 has all the bold symbols reversed and that is on the list of errors to be corrected.
Yes, that is a change. I have added it to the list of errors.
I thought a TN about "Text continued on page 89" would be helpful since the break between page 88 and 89 is in the middle of a sentence. Should it definately come out?
I follow your logic that a new braille page with no print page number shows the braille reader that the caption is on an unnumbered page. But I'm not sure if that covers the question I had in the third paragraph. How does the braille reader know that there is a page turn when the both the print and braille unnumbered page end on line 25?
I see two issues here involving the same problem of unnumbered print pages. First, about the TN on line 25. I'm not sure why there is a TN there in the first place. None is required in this situation. The TN required for interrupted text (covered in Section 3 (3.3.3) refers to the situation in which another type of text is interrupting the flow of ongoing text while print page numbering CONTINUES. That is not the case here and 1.10.6 which covered the absence of print pages does not mention or require TN. The absence of print page numbers and the text consisting only of picture captions conveys it all to the reader.
Basically, the concern is showing a page turn that occurs on line 25 of braille. When this happens with print page number, the next braille page will carry the next print page number and there is no problem. As you know, a page turn line is NEVER placed on line 25.
The same principle applies when there are no print numbers. The empty page turn line lets the reader know that a print page has been turned. In tracking the unnumbered print pages, the braille reader has the same information the print reader has--which is, not very much. The braille reader knows about the pictures and has no page number to refer to. Same situation for the print reader. In the case of braille, it doesn't matter whether the new print page happens to fall on a new braille page. There is no print page to refer to.
So here, do nothing. Insert page turns when you can. In this case, you can't. So don't. If you absolutely had to put a TN on line 25 for some other reason, follow the same logic. If there's no print page number anyway, it doesn't matter if the new unnumbered print page falls at the beginning of a new braille page. There is never a page turn indicator on line 25.
--Joanna
Whoa! WHAT was quoted in John Edward, etc. Please send the page. I need to see the material. I can't tell by that description whether it's a source citation or an attribute. Notice that an attribute is DEFINED as a type of source citation. I need to see the whole thing.
--Joanna
Thanks Joanna. I'm assuming when the text says -- Quoted in John Edward Hasse, ed. Jazz: The First Century. New York: William Morrow, 2000, p. 8. -- it's a source citation.
If you have a chance, can you respond to my question about including captions that repeat information. As soon as I know, I can submit the book.
Many thanks, B.Fink
