Chris Clemens
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Excellent question! The answer used to depend on the type of book being transcribed. With the release of the new Formats Guidelines, the answer to this question is very simple. EBAE is now the governing code book for this situation. There is no longer any need to differentiate between literary and textbook, they are both treated the same. Yes "to, into, by" should be contracted and joined to letters. See EBAE Rule XIII Sect. 41 and Rule II Sect. 12.a.(2).
I'm sorry, I wasn't clear enough. I will get the hang of this one day. 😉
I was refering to the Printing history statement on page 2-12 2.4.2 c.Thanks
TinaAAh! Sorry about that. I forgot to give you that very important info. 😉
We are using 2011 Formats.1. Yes, a baseline indicator (dot 5) is needed after the raised + in Ag+(aq) [in print the + sign is raised; the (aq) is at the baseline] to bring the reader back to the baseline of writing for the unspaced (aq). Same for Ag3+(aq) [the 3+ is raised; (aq) is printed on the baseline; no spaces].
2. The reason a baseline indicator is not used in BaCl2(s), for example, [the 2 is lowered] is because no subscript indicator is used for the 2 therefore no baseline indicator is needed before the unspaced (s).
Thanks Lindy!
On section 9 of chemistry code the general rules said Do not use contractions So in the example 9.1-1: acyl-S-CoA
Why we use the ELI before the S if we don't use the contraction.I sent you in attachment an other example of ELI. I've difficult with the use.
for the word stuck means join, attach
Sorry for my poor english i'm french Quebecker!Thanks!
Hello. Thank you for attaching the file with your questions. Yes, you must follow the rules of the Chemistry Code for this table in Appendix 3. If the book is not using Chemistry Code in the entire transcription, you simply state that you are following that code for this Appendix 3.
Chemical SYMBOLS are not treated like braille abbreviations nor are they treated like braille single letters. For example, N for nitrogen is simply "cap n" and is punctuated mathematically. The SYMBOLS are not treated differently within narrative. In other words, do NOT use an English letter indicator for the SYMBOL N for nitrogen. Read Section 3.5 in the Chem Code. Two-letter chemical SYMBOLS always show the second letter in lowercase. If you see two capital letters in a row, such as CO, that is two elements -- carbon and oxygen -- "cap c cap o" with a dot 6 math comma--no spaces unless print shows a space.
Physical states (solid, liquid or aqueous, gas, crystalline) are in parentheses -- do not retain the italics, do not use English letter indicators. See Chem Code Sec.9.2 for a discussion of physical states.
Superscripts and subscripts follow the usual Nemeth Code rules. Follow print spacing for example S(rhombic) has no space (and no ELI). Same goes for P(white) and P(red).
Your question about g/mol is out of context and so I cannot give a definitive answer.
Scientific abbreviations in a chemistry transcription follow the rules of the Nemeth Code EXCEPT they are spaced as in print and they are punctuated mathematically. So .. g/mol uses an ELI for the g as long as there is a space before the g and as long as this is in the context of an abbreviation. If the g is an abbreviation and is unspaced from what precedes it, no ELI is needed. If g/mol is being used as a variable, no ELI is used. (Variables are usually printed in italics so they are easy to identify -- study the book to see how the printer has been identifying variables throughout.) Section 9 of the Chem Code covers abbreviations in a chemistry transcription in more detail.The organic molecular formulae shown at the bottom of page 3 of your file are simple to do in Chem Code. You do not separate the letters. Section 4.1.3 of the Chem Code shows a simple molecular formula for benzene as an example. Your first formula: CH3COOH is straightforward cap c cap h Nemeth 3 cap c cap o cap o cap h, all unspaced, no subscript indicator for the numeral. Fun. It will be another matter formatting the wide table!
Take some time to learn what you are looking at, finding out what it is called, and then researching it in the Chemistry Code. Keep asking questions if you are uncertain.
Appendix 4 in the attached pdf document is back to math, not chemistry. The two functions you have pointed out follow rules of the Nemeth Code for functions (Rule XVII). Your specific question about dots 56 in "log B" is answered in Sec. 27.a of the Nemeth Code which is discussing nonuse of the English letter indicator: the letter B does not use an ELI. The letters A and B have individual identities in "Log AB" and so are individually capitalized.
I'm not familiar with the term "stuck symbol."
I need to see a couple of print pages. Remember that the handling of all marginal material is one of the most changed in the new Formats. I need to see exactly what kind of note this is and at least one instance of how it is repeated.
Thanks.
--Joanna
Is there a question here? I'm having difficulty finding it.
See the BANA press release on 2011 Formats, which can be found at the BANA website http://www.brailleauthority.org. It states that 2011 Formats supercedes ALL PREVIOUS Formats and all formatting rules in EBAE. ALL PREVIOUS includes the 2007 update. So everything you're referred to does not apply. If you are using 2011 Formats and you do not have any outstanding work being done with 1997 Formats, it's time to recycle.
That leaves the general question you are asking about math symbols in Braille Formats. The symbols list in Appendix G is simply a list of symbols to use as a reference. It is not, and not intended to be, guidelines about when and how to use them.
In each section of 2011 Formats, guidelines are given that include the use of special symbols when appropriate to that section. If any special symbols are needed for the specific book or page you are working on, go to the appropriate section in 2011 Formats. Special symbols usage for that situation will be given there, in that relevant section, along with instructions for usage. See the post on this forum regarding the old Rule 5, which discusses this same issue.
If you have a specific question about specific symbols, please send the print page(s) and we will address the issue.
Part of the process of becoming acclimated to these new guidelines is learning the new locations of familiar material and getting used to the way these new guidelines are presented.
--Joanna
I am so glad you are asking this important question. We are all awaiting a statement from BANA regarding this topic. Stay tuned ...
I need to see the actual print page in order to give you a complete answer. Please scan and send it. What you have sent is your interpretation of the print and since formatting is about what a print page LOOKS LIKE, I need to be able to see exactly what your page looks like.
--Joanna
I answered the questions you posed on the attachment posted here. I'm very glad to hear you've started using the new guidelines.
--Joanna
If you are using the new 2011 Formats Guidelines, Rule 5 is no longer in effect because 1997 Formats is no longer in effect. Don't even go there! I looked in the 2011 Guidelines index and found a list of all the math (and other) symbols in Appendix G and the guidelines for using them in Section 1. As before, we follow print. We braille the symbol and not the word when the symbol only is used in print. The symbol is listed on the Special Symbols page or at the location where it occurs. It will take a little time to get used to the new guidelines. Do not fear the Index.
--Joanna
[quote=tjensen]Can you tell me if Rule 5 is still in effect? I can't seem to find anything for Mathematical signs. I am specifically looking for dimensions in the new Braille formats.[/quote]
Sorry I forgot to say this is partially technical work and this section (2 pages) will be in Nemeth code.
Congratulations on using the new guidelines. Just plunge right in! It will be slower because you'll have look up things rather frequently, but soon it will become second nature. On your title page I think you can follow the print and say Developed at ... whatever it says. Note that in the discussion of the author segment on title pages it clearly states that other entities, like translators, are now shown. The think the implication there is that the originating entity serves as the author.
As for the word "copyright," I'm not sure I understand your question. Is there a copyright symbol, ©, but not the print word "copyright"? Or is there no mention of copyright at all? If you can let me know exactly what your book says, we can figure out the answer.
--Joanna
