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Are you doing these in UEB (using UEB technical for the math) or in Nemeth within a UEB context?
Cindi
Yes, according to Braille Formats it works for an Appendix as well...but I CANNOT speak for NLS and what they may or may not grade as incorrect. I believe they follow Braille Formats, but I am not a part of that program.
Cindi
Having some of the print is VERY helpful. Looking at this, it seem to me that the bold items are section headings...I realize that in print they have bullets, which confuses the issue. If I were transcribing this, I would make the bold items cell 5 headings, the blocked material paragraphs (3-1 - TN required as they are blocked in print) and the items under those paragraphs lists - with the material you sent me, I would do 1-3 for the lists under Anesthesiologist services and Chiropractic services and 1-5, 3-5 for the list under Specialty mental health services. Because of the headings, you can easily see what a section is for the margins for the lists...they are separate lists under separate headings. You would need a TN on the TN page that bullets that appear in print on section headings are omitted in braille...as you are changing the print. It seems like this would make it very clear for the reader what goes with what.
Cindi
I'm going to answer this one for Dan because it really is more a Formats question than a UEB question.
Question 1: If what follows Anesthesiologist is a paragraph it is not part of the list...a blank line separates the list from the paragraph. Paragraphs are then 3-1 or 1-1. If you ARE considering them part of the list, it should definitely NOT start at the margin. It could be considered a "second paragraph" to the list item - which would mean margins 7-5 should be used (if your list is a 1-5, 3-5 format).
Question 2: the transcriber gets to choose what a "section" is based on the print. Without seeing the print, I can't give an opinion on that. For me, if every section is a list, I would treat it as one "section" and use the same margins throughout. It seems like it would be confusing for the reader to keep switching the margins. If each listed section is at the end of narrative text (basic paragraphs) then each listed section could have it's own margin definitions.
Question 3: If a page change comes in the middle of a list, no blank lines are required preceding or following the page change indicator. If a list ends at the end of a print page, a blank line is required between the end of the list and the page change indicator. If a list begins at the top of a print page, a blank line is required between the page change indicator and the beginning of the list. See BF 8.3.2b and c
Question 4: Per BF 8.3.5c, a list may not begin on line 25. Move the list to the next page.
Question 5: Yes, a page change indicator can be on line 24 if it occurs within regular text or within a longer list. If what follows the page change indicator requires a blank line preceding it, move the page change to the next braille page (there must be text on line 25 following the page change indicator on line 24).
Hope this helps!
Cindi Laurent
What it means is if there is text on the left side of the last page of an interpoint transcription then you include that implied braille page number. If there is no text on the blank back side, it is NOT counted or included.
Cindi
This is not technically under the literary Formats rules - it is more a UEB Technical question. I've asked Kyle DeJute (chair of the UEB Technical Committee) to answer it.
Cindi
The study guide was created in 2018. It is based on Braille Formats 2016. The exam is based on Braille Formats 2016.
Cindi
First, formats doesn't directly address this issue. I would say "Consider questions..." is a new paragraph for the exercise question and should use margins of 7-5. This follows along in the same manner as the issue seen in 10.3.2 (which applies to directions).
Cindi
You should definitely move the heading to the next page. See Braille Formats Section 4.3.9 which says "...headings must be followed by at least one line of text on the braille page." A heading cannot be at the bottom of a braille page.
Cindi
I'm so sorry for the late response on this - it was inadvertantly posted somewhere else and Chris moved it - and I lost sight of the fact that it was here (it really belongs in the UEB literary forum). If you follow the letter of the law, lists are to be capitalized and emphasized as you put in your example (put an open indicator at the front of each item and close once at the end). There has been some debate on whether bullets and/or itemized numbers/letters might change that (are they PART OF the list or SEPARATE from it?) I find it especially difficult when you come across a situation just like what you have here...where it actually saves braille cells to treat each item as a separate item. I can tell you that the BANA Formats committee is suggesting some wording that would clarify this to some degree (an errata is being worked on - and still needs to go through an approval process so it will be some time until it's out). In the meantime, you can indeed use the idea that saving cells is the reason for treating these as separate items. But be consistent for all such lists within your text.
Cindi
Maybe if they are using them someone there could provide you with a draft? I've seen them, but it was a couple years ago and I don't know what has changed since then.
Cindi
There is not a version that is available yet. The BANA board is meeting this week. I do believe that the document is with the BANA Publications committee and we should see it published soon (ish).
Cindi
