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You do not need to close and re-open Nemeth. Once it is open, it is open until you close it. It's no problem that it goes over a page change...or two.
Cindi
Open Nemeth 1.258 grams Close Nemeth per centimeters cubed Open Nemeth (g/cm³) Close Nemeth.
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grams (g) of Open Nemeth 3 cm³ Close Nemeth of the substance at room temperature.
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For consistency, you could choose to do grams (g) in Nemeth, but if you do that then all abbreviations of that type should be done in Nemeth as well.
Cindi
Consensus among the committee is that yes, you can use the 'th' in Beethoven. There are no rules prohibiting it.
Cindi
See Section 3.17 of UEB. Use dots 25 for the 'is to' and dots 25, 25 for the 'as'. We are still using ratio and proportion for these symbols...just the UEB version.
Cindi
What would you like to know? I have received the letter of proficiency through NLS. The program is managed by NFB. It's a three part test, you must pass each part to move on to the next. I do know that the waiting list is long. I also know that NFB is doing the best they can to move people through the list.
Cindi
I am a bit confused...but here you go. This is what I know.
hereabout and whereabout are initial letter contractions.
According to 10.7.1 these types of contractions can be used wherever the letters they represent occur (unless another rule prohibits that). I can't find any rule that prohibits either of these being used in hereabout or whereabout.
The rule for shortforms says what you noted in the first post above (I'm not going to repost it here).
So I then go to Appendix 1...which deals with shortforms. Look at the list regarding the shortform word 'about' (page 229 of the code). Both hereabout and whereabout are on that list...so both are acceptable.
Now we add the 's'. If you look at the paragraph at the very beginning of Appendix 1 (under "The list") it says that when an 's' or apostrophe 's' is added to any word on the list, use the shortform with the following exceptions...I realize that abouts is one of those exceptions...but it is not the word hereabouts or the word whereabouts...it is the word abouts all by itself (and that's probably because the contractions abs could mean abs [a different word] rather than abouts).
So hereabouts would be (here)(about)s and whereabouts would be (where)(about)s. Since hereabouts is shown as an approved word on page 138, my logic is sound...and would apply to whereabouts in the same manner.
Does this help?
Cindi
Where are you seeing that whereabout's is NOT ok? I see the example for hereabouts - that uses the dot 5habs...but I don't see anything there that says you can't use about in whereabout's.
Cindi
According to Appendix 1, page 229, both are acceptable. Hereabout and whereabout are both on the shortforms list. The paragraph at the top says that an 's' added to any word on the list doesn't change that fact (with the exception of abouts, almosts and hims).
Cindi
Yes, you do need a grade 1 indicator on the e standing alone. The Formats committee argued for uncontracted braille being used in pronunciations, but the rules of UEB prevailed.
Cindi
You are right. cap cap QK cap M(ar)t.
Look at page 88 of the UEB code book...this is a web address but it shows the same capitalization issue. It shows cap cap BLA(ST) cap S(ound). The capital symbol indicator terminates the effect of the capital word indicator (per 8.4.2 of the UEB code).
Cindi
You can't use the begin/end CBC indicators. BUT you should use the opening/closing non-UEB passage indicators to let the reader know you are not working in UEB anymore...and, of course, that will need to be explained somewhere (if this is the only flow chart, put a TN right before). Also, according to example 1 of the flow-chart document, you don't need to use uncontracted braille. I'm attaching my version.
Cindi
It is very confusing for everyone. On that we are agreed.
The dot locator "for mention" is used only in symbols lists or when defining a symbol. So it will be on the Special Symbols page or in a transcriber's note or some other list of SYMBOLS. A key is not a symbols list...it is, essentially, letters (or numbers) that are being used to represent words, so the dot locator is not required. In a pronunciation key, the modified letters are still just letters - they just happen to have modifiers on them. The stress mark IS a symbol and would require the dot locator for mention.
If a transcriber devises a symbol - such as any of the transcriber-defined symbols listed in Section 3 of the UEB code, those are symbols and would require the dot locator for mention preceding them on the Special Symbols page (or in the TN) but the dot locator is NOT required when they are actually used within the text.
The dot locator "for use" is a bit different. It is used when something (like a grade 1 passage indicator) is standing alone or when a symbol could get 'lost' in space (see the examples 3.14).
Does that help?
Cindi
You would use the symbol for a caret (dots 4, 26) to represent the print caret showing insertion. If you have a phrase, you would enclose the phrase in base grouping indicators (dots 126 for opening and dots 345 for closing). The base grouping indicators will likely need grade 1 indicators in front of them. This use must be explained in a transcriber's note somewhere and the symbols must be on the Special Symbols page (or in a tn at the site).
Cindi
