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As mentioned earlier, unsaid was added to the Appendix 1 list for shortforms in March of 2015. I suspect the NLS Instruction Manual came out before the change was approved. The contraction for said CAN be used in unsaid.
Cindi
First let me say that the Instruction Manual is not the rules. That's what Braille Formats is. I would not consider what you have the same as formal correspondence. There is no salutation or closing, etc. My recommendation, based on the Formats Guidelines is to change them to 3-1 paragraphs.
Cindi
According to 1.8.3 of Braille Formats, you would change them to indented paragraphs and put a TN on the TN page noting the change. I am basing this comment on the fact that the page you sent has ONLY blocked paragraphs - so I'm assuming the entire document is done the same way.
Cindi
Well, I can tell you what I would do - I would say it is part of the title...and I would center it on the line following the title. It's sort of like when you have
Red Riding Hood
adapted from Grimms Fairly Tales.
It's not an attribution. It's not an author. And it's not really a source in the true sense of the word.
Cindi
Here is a bit more information on this topic...it might help you to understand why the decision was made
The difference actually relates to the origin of these words. The words muster and mustang have no relationship at all to the original shortform of must. The word "must" actually has 3 meanings: be obliged, or as a noun it can mean new wine or mould (hence musty and mustiness are on the shortform list). The word mustard, in fact comes via the "new wine" meaning in that mustard was originally made using must or new wine when grounding the seeds of the plant.
According to 10.6.1 the 'con' contraction is only used when the letters it represents form the first syllable of a word. According to dictionary.com the word 'coniferous' is split co-ni-fer-ous which would mean that 'con' does NOT form the first syllable of the word.
Cindi
I got a reply to the question about 7.6.1 and quote marks.
"A little background might put this provision into perspective. In the original design of UEB, all quotation marks were two cells and had specific designations so the reader would know exactly what sign was used in print. The feedback from samplers sent to people around the world was that everyone disliked the two-cell sign and wanted the one-cell quotation marks back. This made the provisions for quotes much more complex since the one-cell signs can create confusion in some situations. It also meant that the reader would not know which print sign was being used. That's why the last sentence of 7.6.1 is there.
The intent of the rule is to inform the reader what the nonspecific (one-cell in braille) quotes are representing in the print - whether double, single, Italian or nondirectional."
So there you go. According to UEB a note IS required on the TN page about quotes (or you could put the symbols on the SS page and explain them there).
Cindi
No, it falls under the same rule as US (10.12.1). You pronounce each letter individually so you would not use the contractions.
Cindi
Cindy - you can post these questions wherever you feel the most comfortable. I don't mind answering them!
I've repeated the questions here for those who can't see/use the attachement. My answers are in bold and have lines around them for ease of reading.
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Question 27. The correct answer is B. The probability that the fourth player will draw a yellow card = the number of yellow cards left in the deck after the first three draws/the number of cards of all colors left in the deck after the first three draws = 10-3/10+10+10-3 = 7/27. If you didn't take into account the 3 yellow cards that were previously drawn, you probably chose A or C, the most common incorrect answers.
The “lefts” in the numerator and denominator are in italics. Do we treat the italics as UEB or Nemeth? I’ve read where the opening Nemeth terminates type-form, but it doesn’t say not to use UEB type-form within Nemeth mode.
If its Nemeth, do we use the Type-Form Indicator for Words, Phrases, and Mathematical Statements or the Type-Form Indicators for Letters, Numerals, and Compound Expressions.
Neither truly follows Nemeth Code:
- section 32b states … When the ink-print shows an italicized word or an italicized phrase consisting of one or more items which both begins and ends with a word, the rules of English Braille concerning italics must be observed. … Since it’s only a word we cannot use Type-Form Indicator for Words, Phrases, and Mathematical Statements.
- left isn’t a letter, numeral, nor a compound expression, and although the symbol is the same as the EBAE emphasis it’s an NC character.
Which do we use?
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You cannot use UEB indicators within Nemeth mode so you must use the Nemeth indicator for italics. In this case, it would be dots 46 (which is the Nemeth indicator for a word in italics).
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In Lesson 19, the Exercise it says that there is no need for a TN page, however in the Rules of UEB Section 7.6.1 it states:
Use one-cell (nonspecific) quotation marks 8 and 0 for the predominant quotation marks in the text in all instances where the specific form of the quotation marks ("double", "single", "Italian" or "nondirectional") has no significance, that is, in the great majority of cases<u>. Indicate the print form of the nonspecific quotation marks on the symbols page or in a transcriber's note</u>.
In The House the curled quotation marks are use. (They are not listed on the SSP either.)
Is this an oversight or am I misreading 7.6.1 in some way.
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I believe that the instructions in Lesson 19 just mean that they are not requiring a Transcriber's Notes page for their purposes. I am reading 7.6.1 of the UEB guidelines and I see what you are asking about...I believe that the information about non specific quotation marks is only required on the Special Symbols page or in a Transcriber's note if there is more than one type of quotation mark used in a text and there needs to be some type of distinction. I realize that 7.6.1 does not actually say that...but I do know that the quotation marks are not required on the special symbols page...so that's what I'm basing my logic on. I will ask the ICEB committee for clarification and if I find out anything different, I will let you know right away.
Cindi
- Unless all the paragraphs are the same, you need to follow print. So block the first paragraph of each chapter and indent the rest.
- According to 1.8.3 of Braille Formats blank lines are required preceding a blocked paragraph (unless it follows a cell 5 or cell 7 heading), not following it. You only need a blank line before the blocked paragraph.
Cindi
I checked with three people that I consider to be "experts" in early learning materials. They all agree that there is no rule about the title page. So I would say that if the book is in uncontracted braille, the title page should be as well. However, if space is an issue, there is some precedent for the title page being done differently from the rest of the book: in Nemeth, the title page is done in literary braille. If you did decide to contract the title page, you would not be breaking any rules...as there aren't any at this point.
Cindi
According to 1.12.1c and example 1-16 of Braille Formats, we are to omit the hyphen between the letter and the number in G-1. So your braille pages should be G1-G12. If you had braille pages x-xiii you would use a hyphen and it would represent pages x through xiii, not x and xiii. The concept there is the same.
Cindi
According to 1.12.1c and example 1-16 of Braille Formats, we are to omit the hyphen between the letter and the number in G-1. So your braille pages should be G1-G12. If you had braille pages x-xiii you would use a hyphen and it would represent pages x through xiii, not x and xiii. The concept there is the same.
Cindi
