[dworthing]

For numbers (including page numbers) within the text, Nemeth rules should be followed. So, yes, you would use the multipurpose indicator between the P and the number -- no numeric indicator will be used.

[dworthing]

Thanks!

Should I extend the separation line by one cell to the left of the minus sign then? If so, the separation line will not be the same length as the separation line that is part of the division sign. If not, the separation line will not extend beyond the longest line by one cell.

[dworthing]

Welcome to Nemeth! In the division problem, put the minus sign under the division symbol.
In your second example, omit the arrows. The action is described in the text that accompanies the problem. I don't usually explain the omission in a tn, but it would not be incorrect-- if you can keep it short and clear.

[dworthing]

You insert, following the digit, the directly under symbol and the bar

[u]6[/u] [braille]#6%:

You must include on the TN page the original Nemeth Code, plus Udates 2007-2013
edited by dworthing on 7/14/2013
edited by dworthing on 7/14/2013

[dworthing]

There is no symbol for underscore in Nemeth Code. If you are using (456, 456) within the table then you must be doing column 1 in CBC. Is that correct? In order to offer an opinion about the construction of the underscore in the equations below the table, I need some idea of what their meaning is.

Judging by the text following the Table, the chi2 is chi-squared, yet the 2 is not shown in a superscript position. Is this all a computer output?

[dworthing]

She sent me this email in lieu of scanning the page. Hope this helps.

[dworthing]

I don't think I can answer without seeing the print. The picture I build in my head may not at all be what you are describing.

[dworthing]

You would use the ELI on both the a and the b. Both letters fit the definition of a single letter requiring the ELI. Nem sections 25 and 26

[dworthing]

Although this change has not yet been posted on BANA's website, I have been assured that it was formally adopted by the Board. I will work on getting it listed as a change on the Updates page of their website. Short answer: yes.

[dworthing]

Here is a page from the book. Universal set is shown in the first paragraph. Cindy
edited by ydnic1948 on 6/27/2013

[dworthing]

The data are represented by the bold arrowhead and shaft on the number line. The bold arrowhead and the lighter number line arrowhead both indicate that the numbers extend to "infinity". It is not necessary to include the arrow from the original number line.

I found it difficult to make myself clear in my reply. Let me know if this doesn't make sense. Dorothy

[dworthing]

Dorothy,
None of my ideas were even close to yours. I believe I was trying too hard to keep some semblance of the print format and it just wasn't working. I absolutely think your suggestion is the best and clearest way to handle. Thank you so much for your help. It is always greatly appreciated.
Patty

[dworthing]

I was reminded that this question has been posed before. Here is the earlier response regarding the negation symbol.

This variant logic symbol ¬p is not listed in the Nemeth Code. The transcriber should devise a symbol that is in keeping with usage. In this case, I suggest a 2-cell "dot 4" symbol since the more common symbol of ~p (tilde p) is a dot-4 symbol. Note that, listed in Appendix B of the Nemeth Code, there are 71 symbols beginning with a dot 4 so choose your symbol carefully since you cannot use one which already has a meaning. I suggest (4, 1345) -- dot 4 "n" for "not" -- explained in a transcriber's note. Wikipedia says "No matter how it is notated or symbolized, the negation ¬p can be read as "it is not the case that p", "not that p", or usually more simply (though not grammatically) as "not p"." Lindy

[dworthing]

Thanks for the response, Ms Worthington. As well as the call for Community replies. I hope I'm not being perceived as some sort of Braille rebel, refusing to comply with accepted norms.

I've considered using shape indicators.

Ex:

[simbraille]$hn $tn $on[/simbraille]
[simbraille]$hn $tn[/simbraille]
[simbraille]$hn $tn[/simbraille]
[simbraille]$hn[/simbraille]

for 431. OR, possibly using numbers, which I considered inferior because [simbraille]$100[/simbraille] implies a 100-gon.

Nemeth code allows for creating shapes for "Moon" and "Church," why not base-10 shapes?

My contention: Even though print shows 100 individual blocks that potentially could be counted by a sighted reader, with a microscope and a sharp pencil, I'll wager the vast majority of readers encounter the shape and translate it to "100" as readily as I translate "100". Further, the accepted method requires a student to "carry" across the boundaries of a braille page, whenever tactile representation in base-10 blocks wont fit on one page, which is often.

I would introduce the format via TNote, after showing the NBA method: one page for 400, and one page for 31. I can easily adapt this method to the cubes used to represent 1000 as well. I feel this would be more effective than showing top/front/side views of the identical 10-by-10 faces of the 3-dimensional 10-by-10-by-10 cube that are required to represent it in the approved method.

I am hoping for some feedback from any braillist willing to attack my thinking here.

I realize that I don't have experience teaching VI students, so my thinking process likely missed many pedagogic considerations, so I'd especially appreciate feedback from educators.

Thanks, in advance, for any feedback.

[dworthing]

Hi. I'm willing to make suggestions and offer my opinion, but I think that essentially it is up to you. Don't use two indicators (both color and underline) to represent a live link. If you are transcribing these links with literary as your base code, you could use one or the other. If your base code is Nemeth, there is no underline or color indicator; you would need to create a symbol (which may look like an underline indicator) to represent the live link; it would be defined on the special symbols page. In my opinion, this indicator would have to be used with web and email addresses to maintain a consistent representation of live links. If the link is a web or email address, this indicator would precede the opening CBC indicator, and its termination would follow the closing CBC indicator.

If you mean that the individual listed entries are links, you would need to indicate each one separately or they might all look like they are part of the same link.

Let me know if this doesn't make sense. If you disagree with my opinion, I'd like to hear other suggestions. There are many aspects of our transcriptions that require creative interpretation.

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