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Thank you for reminding me about the NBA Bulletin. I had forgotten about that wonderful resource for this type of question.
And thank you for your quick response. I really appreciate your help!
Best,
RebeccajoannavenneriParticipantThis topic is covered in depth in the Foreign Language Braille article in the Fall 2012 issue of the NBA Bulletin, so I will not repeat that here. To summarize, the foreign language label (or caption) is treated as a picture caption and the contracted English description is enclosed in an embedded transcriber's note. The description should be verified in the book's glossary by looking up the caption to determine the vocabulary. Thanks for including the print page. That is very helpful.
--Joanna
joannavenneriParticipantI'm so sorry about being dense, but C-5 does not answer my question. The rules about blank lines before and after page change indicators are spelled out. The rules about continuation pages are not.
If page 46 of the text book has a list and page 47 starts with a centered heading, then I would braille the list, put in a page change indicator and then a blank line before the centered heading.
Suppose text book page 46 has a list followed by a centered heading on the same page. I braille the list and the last item in the list falls on braille line 25. Then the next braille page is a continuation page. Do I put the centered heading on line one or do I drop it down to line 2? In this situation there is no page change indicator. Using the old formatting rules, the centered heading would only be allowed on line one if the list had ended on line 23. Both line 24 and 25 needed to be blank for the centered heading to be allowed on line one of the continuation page. Actually it didn't make any difference it the centered heading followed a list, an attribution, a paragraph or anything else.
joannavenneriParticipantI agree with the formatting you have applied to these foreign language samples. For instance, the foreign language in the English context is contracted with general accent indicators. The foreign language passage is uncontracted and uses special symbols for the accented letters.
The pronunciation uses conventional diacritics and that is very well done.
The pronunciation key summary should be done just as if the words were English. I know that the guidelines suggest following the print format, but it assumes some sort of column/list arrangement. In this case, you are certainly correct to follow print and separate each entry with the slash. However, I would suggest that you consider modifying the format and changing this to a list format without the slashes. If you choose to do that, explain with a TN. This is an unusual print format for a pronunciation key and it involves foreign language words. In this case, the transcriber may make such a change for the sake of clarity.
That's just a suggestion ...
--JoannajoannavenneriParticipantI don't see asterisks. I see a faint line. I see a lot of OVERTHINKING, which does not benefit the reader at all. The letter is not displayed. There is no change of margin. There is a change of context. That is why there is blank line before and after in print and why there should be one in braille. The faint line or whatever that is, is decorative and should be ignored in braille.
--Joanna
joannavenneriParticipantActually, it's been pointed out to me that there IS a black line after "Your loving son, Louie." So my question still stands. Would you put a blank line between the displayed letter and the three centered asterisks?
joannavenneriParticipantYes, just use vii because i-vii has already been accounted for in Vol. 1. List on the title page in chronological order. See Ex. 2-12 only use just the vii.
--Joanna
joannavenneriParticipantFormats is not restricted to textbooks, so I think we're safe here. As you know, the continuation letter of continued print page numbers is not shown in the table of contents listing. If this volume contained any other contents item like a chapter or section that started in the middle of a print page and therefore had a continuation letter, that letter would not be listed in the contents and the item would merely be listed on whatever print page number it appears on, regardless of position. The same is true of the notes as there is no direction otherwise in Formats.
--Joanna
joannavenneriParticipantThe note section is at the back of the print book. However, the notes that pertain to pages in braille volume one go at the end of volume one. The notes that pertain to braille volume two go at the end of volume two. Thus the note section in braille volume two begins on print page b345. BTW this not a textbook, but I am directed to follow textbook formatting.
joannavenneriParticipantI can see why there might be some uncertainty here. The short answer is YES, [u]friend[/u], [u]friendliness[/u] and ALL THE ANSWER CHOICES should be UNCONTRACTED. It is necessary to have each letter separately accessible in the word in question "friend," but it is also necessary to make sure all the answer choices are NEUTRAL and treated in the identical manner, so that there's no unintentional clue as to which answer choice might be the right one. And in this case, there are two versions of "friend" as answer choices. By having ALL the choices uncontracted, the reader has to make a choice based on what is actually there, not what the transcriber shows.
--Joanna
joannavenneriParticipantThanks for sending us your question. It appears to be about the Formats Course. Cindi is out of town until Wednesday and doesn't have her course book with her. She's aware of your question and she'll address it when she gets back.
--Joanna
joannavenneriParticipantEven though this reference mentions copyright, it carries a print reference indicator. I would use Section 16 Notes and place this note at the conclusion of the print page.
--Joanna
joannavenneriParticipantThis is not an exercise, which is probably the reason you're having trouble figuring out what to do with it. The citation that you refer to says an exercise consists of directions, examples, questions and answer choices. There are no examples, questions or answer choices here. There are no blanks to fill in, no sentences to complete, no columns to match, no errors to correct. In short, all that is here are directions and this is simply a list of directions, things to do . Explain, describe, write, with nothing following. Treat this as a nested list.
--Joanna
joannavenneriParticipantYes, show the inclusive page numbers.
--Joanna
joannavenneriParticipantDon't be afraid to do what it says.
questions and answer choices should be on the same page regardless of the amount of blank space on the previous page.
So why are you counting lines? Stop!
[color=#ff6600]What if that question had no answer choices and only 1 line was available on the previous page? Can I split the question between pages or should I move the question down to the next page.
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Why would you do that? If the exercise is supposed to be on the same page, that means an exercise that consists only of a question. That should stay on the same page as well.Formats is not about SAVING space. Formats is about USING space in a way that promotes maximum access. That means in in the clearest way possible for the reader. It means, in this case, no going back and forth from the previous page to get the point of the question.
It is obvious to me that you understand this guideline very well and yes it means what it says.
--Joanna
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