[Joanna E. Venneri]

This is a different than the old Formats and it takes a little getting used to. First, the print material has to be correctly identified. It depends on whether the print is in fact, note or a sidebar. You may want to take another look at sidebars–Section 12. You might find that this supplants and now covers what used to be called marginal notes. Generally, notes have a specific reference to the text and sidebars do not. It depends on what you have. Do you have a print page you can send? Then I can explain further.

–Joanna

[Joanna E. Venneri]

I agree with you about the authors of the Algebra book. I think that all the additional information about the authors also goes on the second title page. See. 2.4.

Science book–since there are no authors listed on the print title page, follow print and list the authors as they appear in print order. This page will be a p-page.

–Joanna

[Joanna E. Venneri]

The 1-5, 3-7 format is no longer used at all. I’m not sure which section you are referring to. Do you mean something in Section 8 Lists? Which section exactly? This issue is directly covered in the section on Exercises, Section 10. See 10.4.2, which specifices the beginning cell and the runover.

Hope this helps. Please post again if it doesn’t.

–Joanna

[Joanna E. Venneri]

Just follow print and enclose the naterial in a box as printed. See 9.1.2. Boxed material is not trated as displayed material. Do not adjust the left margin and just use boxes.

–Joanna

[Joanna E. Venneri]

The example you sent doesn’t show the text message exchange as embedded, so I didn’t get that. Please send a page that shows the embedded texting you refer to. We have the example you sent and the embedded situation you are going to send. Are there any other instances of text messaging handled in any way OTHER than these two? If you have anything like that, please send it as well. I need to see ALL the different instances of the way texting is shown in order to work on formulating a consistent and readable solution.

–Joanna

[Joanna E. Venneri]

Thanks for your reply but what you suggested will not work for this book. Boxes cannot be used effectively because some of the electronic messaging text is embedded inside normal paragraph text and only set off by a different typeface and capital letters– please refer to the first page of the sample file. If this material was all displayed and not interspersed with regular text, boxes would work fine and so would 1-3 format. However, that isn’t the case which is why we were struggling to find a way to set the text off the easiest, clearest way possible. I know underlining would be cumbersome but I don’t know what else to try at this point. Any more suggestions?

[Joanna E. Venneri]

This ia a great question and you have insightful observations about it. I agree with your coclusion that the problem here is to decide how to set off the texting. I would not use underlining because that adds an entity not present in the print and while underlining is a new format, I think it works best with single words or phrases and not with protracted passages such as this. Imagine what underlining all that would loook like in print!

I suggest boxes. Boxing is the most obvious and essential way to set off large print selections in braille. Use conventional capitalization and I think 1-3 dialog even though there are no speaker names. Don’t the angle brackets indicate that the narrator is texting?

Write a TN that says the text messageing is printed in uppercase letters and that in braille the text message exchanges are enclsosed in boxes and the updercase print is omitted. I would keep the angle brackets as printed without comment and that reading experience will remain the same for the braille reader as it is for the print reader. List the angle brackets as special symbols.

–Joanna

[Joanna E. Venneri]

Your questions are great. In a case like this, I find it easier to deal with a concrete situation and you have suggested one.

This is why these are called guidelines. Often, there is NOT a specific provision and that is why this is taking so long.

The issue here isn’t so much the actual photo credits, but rather the issue of including or omitting text. The trend has moved steadily towards following print and NOT taking it upon ourselves to omit what is printed.

List photo credits in contents because we list everything printed in contents. If you are omitting any photos, explain in a TN. If you are omitting photo credits, explain that in a TN as well. Photo credits that don’t match up with a picture can be omitted. Use your judgement. Depending on the situation and IF the credits are listed in contents, you can say that credits for omitted pictures are also omitted.

Pictures without captions–you may decide to describe some or all of these. You certainly should if the text refers to them in any way. But pictures with no captions that do not add information to the text can be omitted with notice. See 6.1.2 about omitted pictures with no caption.

Pictures that do have captions are generallly included along with accompanying credits that are present, usually following the caption.

For pictures that have ONLY the credit, consider treating that credit as a caption and describing the picture in a TN. If that picture truly should be omitted, consider a TN that notifies of the omission at that point and briefly mentions the credit by way of identification.

I hope this helps. That’s why they call these guidelines.

–Joanna

[Joanna E. Venneri]

Thanks for your patience. Contents listings are NOT omitted. So transcribe as listed. You can have a TN on the TN page that states omissions of certain picture, like those without captions, for instance, or any other pictures that are omitted. Also say in your TN that the credits for omitted pictures are also omitted. When you get to the picture credits, omit the credits that refer to omitted pictures.

–Joanna

[Joanna E. Venneri]

Readers–Kathy and I will conduct our troubleshooting in private e-mail. When we figure this out, we’ll post the result. If there is anyone who has a similar issue, please post it here. And if there’s anyone who has had this problem and already figured it out, please feel free to share.

–Joanna

[Joanna E. Venneri]

Thanks for the interesting question. It’s so interesting that I find it requires a little research. I’ve consulted on it and I’ll post an answer as soon as I get it.

–Joanna

[Joanna E. Venneri]

Hi Kathy,

Joanna here. I’ve been asked to try to help. The settings I’d like to see are in Braille2000 printer options, not the actual printer settings. I’ve attached two pdf’s. The first one shows how to get into printer options and the second shows the settings I’d like to see. Those are the settings in the box. Yours will not necessarily be the same as mine. Just list the settings for each item in the boxes that you show on YOUR computer.

I MIGHT be able to tell something. Let’s see. If not, we can ask Bob Stepp, but I’m sure he’ll want to see these settings anyway.

–Joanna

[Joanna E. Venneri]

I consulted extensively on this and I’m copying over the response I just gave to the other blank line question that came in just before yours. That question is almost identical to yours and raises the very same issues. The person was asking primarily about the bottom box line, but the answers applies to all formats that require a blank line before and after and how that relates to the page turn indicator. This is the response I gave:

I suggest a trip over to Appendix C Blank Lines. The appendix does try to pull together and summarize wide-ranging topics, such as this one.

The new concept in Formats 2011 is that the page change indicator does not change anything about the use of blank lines UNLESS there is more than one format involved.

The bottom box line ends a print page. Since a blank line follows a box, there is a blank line between the bottom box line and the page change indicator. BUT if that next print page starts with a cell-5 heading, which requires another blank line, the first blank line, after the bottom box line, is omitted and the page change indicator follows immediately, followed by a blank line and the cell-5 heading. And yes, it is true that there is no exception listed in 7.2.1b, but 1.10.3c and Appendix C both say that in such cases, when two blank lines are required across a page turn indicator, the first blank line is omitted.

This same situation is true for lists and for any format that requires a blank line before and after.

The easiest way I found to see this is in the Sample 8-2. This has to do with lists, but this works for boxes as well.

At the end of the print page, look at the format that comes after the ending box, or list or whatever. Does that next format require a blank line preceding? If the box is followed by a plain old indented paragraph or something that does NOT require a blank line, the box (or list, etc.) has a blank line followed by the page turn indicator. Sample 8-2 shows this.

If the NEXT format requires a blank line preceding, then omit the blank line BEFORE the page change indicator.

Please let us know if this can be clarified further.

–Joanna

[Joanna E. Venneri]

I suggest a trip over to Appendix C Blank Lines. The appendix does try to pull together and summarize wide-ranging topics, such as this one.

The new concept in Formats 2011 is that the page change indicator does not change anything about the use of blank lines UNLESS there is more than one format involved.

The bottom box line ends a print page. Since a blank line follows a box, there is a blank line between the bottom box line and the page change indicator. BUT if that next print page starts with a cell-5 heading, which requires another blank line, the first blank line, after the bottom box line, is omitted and the page change indicator follows immediately, followed by a blank line and the cell-5 heading. And yes, it is true that there is no exception listed in 7.2.1b, but 1.10.3c and Appendix C both say that in such cases, when two blank lines are required across a page turn indicator, the first blank line is omitted.

This same situation is true for lists and for any format that requires a blank line before and after.

The easiest way I found to see this is in the Sample 8-2. This has to do with lists, but this works for boxes as well.

At the end of the print page, look at the format that comes after the ending box, or list or whatever. Does that next format require a blank line preceding? If the box is followed by a plain old indented paragraph or something that does NOT require a blank line, the box (or list, etc.) has a blank line followed by the page turn indicator. Sample 8-2 shows this.

If the NEXT format requires a blank line preceding, then omit the blank line BEFORE the page change indicator.

Hope this helps.

–Joanna

[Joanna E. Venneri]

Thanks for your patience. I have consulted about this one and we have a recommendation.

It is noted that this is an unusual situation. Formats 2.12.1 says “The first item listed in the table of contents is generally considered the first page of the main body of the book.” GENERALLY. The recommendation is that the acknowlegements should follow print order and come before the contents as in print. However, use p-page numbers for the acknowledgements and the contents and start regular Arabic braille page numbers with the next text item in the contents. In other words, GENERALLY the first item in contents is given the first regular braile page number, but not in this case because of the unusual print order.

–Joanna

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