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Thank you Joanna,
"m in numbers" is when the text refers to a letter (m) in a word (numbers). So, we both agree that the letter indicator isn't necessary in most situations.
Katrina
2011 Formats supercedes EVERYTHING in previous editions of Formats and EVERYTHING PERTAINING TO FORMATTING in EBAE. That includes the Instruction Manual. 2011 Formats is the ONLY current authority for formatting practices and decisions. Formats 2011 Section 2.3.3e says that blank lines are inserted in between segments and should be distributed as evenly as possible.
--Joanna
Hi Betty,
I'm really glad you sent the print page. This rule says 3 different things about cross references.
First, a cross reference with no page number that is shown following an entry must be brailled as part of the entry. That is what I see on this print page. Each cross reference follows a single entry, which may be a main entry or subentry. Each of these should be considered part of that entry and continued on the same line just as the rule says, as if it were part of that entry.
Seond, a cross-reference WITHIN a subentry must be braille as part of the subentry. I don't think I see any like that in your print page, but these would also be part of that entry if there were any.
Third, when a cross reference is shown AT THE END OF A LISTING OF SUBENTRIES, it is brailled as an additional subentry. Your cross references follow individual entries. The ones in the Formats examples are at the end of the group of subentries.
To clarify, the Formats examples shows the subentries under each main entry and separates them with a semicolon, instead of printing each on a new line. It's a very common arrangement. But those are all subentries just the same, and the cross references appear at the very end of that listing of subs. And that's why it is brailled as a new subentry in the example. This is not the same situation that you have in your print example.
Hope this helps.
--Joanna
In order to assess how to handle the extranous material I need to see what it looks like. I need to see the entire print page so I can see how the different types of material printed on it relate to each other, especially if it's a table of contents and some of the material is not part of the table of contents.
Please scan and post a print page or two.
Thanks.
--Joanna
Yes, just as Formats says. Two blank lines where there would be one blank line in single spaced braille.
--Joanna
Yes, how do you close double bold or double bold italics, such as with the phrases in the first two sentences at the top of that example page? Do I use a single bold/on the last word as in italics, OR the termination indicator, (6, 3), preceded and followed by a blank cell, as with underlining?
Joanna,
Thanks so much for your quick reply. And yes. I see where I was misinterpreting the rules.7.2.1 f. Interior box lines do not have blank lines before or after the box line where I got stuck was on the wording "after the box line". I was reading it as "interior box lines do not have blank lines before or after the (interior) box line". I understand now that it means "interior box lines do not have blank lines before or after the (exterior) box line". Which as you said totally agrees with the examples, which means I now understand!! Yea!!!!
Again, thanks so much for all you do.
PattyThanks for sending both the print and the braille. Not only is there no copyright information, there is no caption of any kind. And I certainly agree that a description is needed. So what you have here is a description and dialog. I suggest using your first method. You have started with a TN in 7-5 that starts Cartoon: followed by the description. You close your TN and have the little dialog on the next line in 1-3. I think this follows all the relevant guidelines and clearly conveys the print to the reader.
The second method leaves you with Cartoon: all by itself enclosed in a TN in 7-5, which doesn't seem to serve any purpose because there is no caption. That's why I like the first method much better. It gives the reader a clear indication of which is the the text added by the transcriber and which is the actual print dialog. It shows that the print IS dialog. And of course, it tells the reader that this is a cartoon. And your description is complete, yet short and tidy. Great work.
--Joanna
I'll assume that this is printed with the 2 and 3 numbers as superscript. Then this is considered mathematical notation and is braille in Nemeth with the Nemeth opening and closing indicators. If this is not a Nemeth transcription, then it calls under Section 1.3.3 and 1.3.4, 1.3.5, etc. covering Nemeth notation in nontechnical materials. You'll need the notice of Nemeth code use on the TN page and the special symbols used, since the entire transcription is NOT Nemeth.
The use of Nemeth code provides the precise print usage to the reader and the procedures are clearly given in the Formats guidelines.
--Joanna
Thanks so much for your quick response. A further point of clarification, just to be sure: Suppose there is not enough room for a blank line between the print "end" statement and the braille END statement. Can the braille statement immediately follow the print one?
The attachment worked just fine and the print page is very helpful. As it turns out, this question is really about Formats. Foreign Language is formatted as a textbook. The only exception occur with issues unique to foreign language. That is not the case here. The foreign language here doesn't make any difference in how this is handled. So let's take a look in the new Formats at example 19-1 on page 19-3 in, you guessed it, Section 19. The example shown there is exactly this same type of puzzle called Number-Coded Words. Follow the format given there and start each "word" with the number sign. Connect the numbers within a word with a hyphen without the number sign. Write a TN that explains this usage and place it before the first sentence.
The example in Formats does NOT show letters that are filled in. Show the letters in parentheses, WITHOUT the letter sign, immediately following the number. Make sure that this is also explained in the TN. When you have more than one "word" as you do in B. at the bottom of the page, have a space in between and use the number sign at the beginning of each "word" after the space that separates the words. Use the quotation marks as shown in print, with the open quote before the number sign of the first "word."
Here's the braille for the "word" in sentence #1. Note that e is number 12 and it follows the 12; r is number 4 and it follows 4.
[simbraille]#AC-AH-C-AH-AC-AB7E7-D7R7[/simbraille]
Don't forget the TN and the space before and after each "word."
Thanks to Lynnette Taylor for help with this one!
--Joanna
