[joannavenneri]

I agree that this little h could have been a tad more clear, but it does say a phrase SUCH AS. It is a little unusual for print works other than plays to have an end of ... statement, but yours certainly does. I think it is included in this guideline and the end of volume statement should follow the print ending statement. Thank you for sending the print page so that we can see exactly what your print situation is. The only exception to this is the end of volume statement on the last page of a glossary (or index) because the guide words MUST be on line 25.

--Joanna

[joannavenneri]

I think entire section means entire glossary. This is not a new format and I don't know of any instances in which some entries are in cell 5 and others not. The entire glossary is either done that way or not. The circumstances in which the cell-5 entry words are used are clearly laid out.

--Joanna

[joannavenneri]

Attached is the page of copyright notices.

[joannavenneri]

I'm sorry. I wasn't reading your post as carefully as I should have. Thanks for getting back on this. That section referring to the printing history statement specifically says that it goes on the supplemental title page. There is no provision for placing it on the main title page and I agree, there would never be room for it. So yes, whevnever you have a printing history given, the actual history numbers go on the main title page right after the ISBN and the printing history statement goes on the supplemental title page, even if that's the only item on it. The printing history statement is given only in Volume 1.

--Joanna

[joannavenneri]

Please send the print page with these copyright notices.

--Joanna

[joannavenneri]

I'm looking at Section 2.3.6g on printing history, which takes just one line. I'm puzzled when you say you don't have room for it on the title page.

--Joanna

[joannavenneri]

The braille doesn't match the print?? I'm alarmed! The page numbers are in Nemeth; it gets goofy when there are lettered continuations. I guess I wasn't reading the rule of "unit and part headings MUST be centered" as "ONLY unit and part headings should be centered." I centered the chapter headings because they are major divisions in this book. I considered putting them in 1-5 as well when I ran into this problem, and your answer is confirmation that that would be the better way to go.

One tries so hard to be clear when asking questions... I was referring to Rule 2, Section 7(b)[1] on page 37 in my manual. I do like the decimal numbering system in the 2011 manual.

I'm glad the attachments were helpful. I only wish I could figure out why my PDFs come through so sketchy.

Thank you very much for your response.

Julie

[joannavenneri]

I need some help with this one. I notice that the braille doesn't match the print and I also see some page numbers in the braille contents that I do not understand--these are the entry numbers that don't have number signs.

I'm not sure I understand why the chapter headings are centered. The rules say only that unit and part headings are centered and say nothing about centering chapter headings. I think in this case there just aren't any unit and part headings. I see the chapters as main entries (1-5) and the sections under each chapter as sub-entries (3-7) and I would like to suggest that these contents be done that way. This will also make it easier to figure out which items get the (cont.) designation since it has been necessary to divide chapters across volumes. Consider Example 9 in 1997 Formats. There are no unit or part headings there either.

And here's a good reason why the numbering system has been changed in the new Formats guidelines. You refer to Rule 2 Section 7(b) and (b) is a sub-sub entry. I'm not sure which section it applies to--so I can't see exactly what you are referring to. There are several instances of (b) in Rule 7 unfortunately and I can't tell which one you mean.

I think changing the formatting to 1-5, 3-7 as the rules suggest will make it easier to figure out which items are designated (cont.) in Volume 1 and subsequent volumes.

The print and braille pages have been very helpful to me in understanding what the formatting considerations are here.

I'll look forward to continuing on this one.

--Joanna

[joannavenneri]

Excellent. There is no braille provision for pictograph characters such as these. Braille systems for Chinese and other pictograph languages are built on a transliteration of that language into the Latin alphabet, which I believe in Chinese is called pinyin. That is not what we have here.

Treat each of the Chinese characters as a little picture, which is what the text does itself. You could transcribe the chart on page 88 with a TN that explains that the chart shows Chinese characters and pictures for the following words, and list the words. For the story, use the new embedded TN given in section 3.2.3 of the new guidelines. I would start each story (if there are more of them) with a TN that explains that Chinese characters are used for some words in the story below. Then you won't have to repeat "Chinese character" for each each TN. The story might look like this:

[simbraille],ON TOP (A ,'M.TA9,' "! LIV$ A ,'MAN,'1 '''[/simbraille]

I think these embedded TN's are very helpful.

--Joanna

[joannavenneri]

Thank you for the very kind words. Believe me, there's a lot that goes on behind the scenes and I have lots of help.

So cute! Are you using 1997 Formats or tne hew 2011 Guidelines? This is not really a foreign language question as much as it is a textbook formatting question. So which guidelines? (Hint: the answer is easier if using the new ones). But let me know and we'll see what we can come up with.

--Joanna

[joannavenneri]

CBC--Computer Braille Code. You can download it from the BANA website http://www.brailleauthority.org/cbc/cbc.html

Click on Code Books and Guidelines from the BANA home page if that link doesn't work. You want the 2010 Updated Computer Braille Code.

--Joanna

[joannavenneri]

Attached are the print pages.

[joannavenneri]

I would follow print for the sidebars and repeat them in appropriate places on the pages that repeat them in print. They are there for a reason and that is to tell the student what to do at that particular location in the print.

On the red words parts in the spelling pattern boxes, I agree--use italics. Section 5.8 covers this exact situation and specifies that italics is used for emphasized letters within words regardless of the way in which those letters might be emphasized in print.

Thanks for sending the print examples.

--Joanna

[joannavenneri]

This is a very interesting question. First, do NOT use any of the print emphasis in the guide words. The purpose of the guide words is only for quick alphbetic location and emphasis indicators slow down that process and aren't needed in guide words anyway.

I strongly recommend the following for dealing with the blue type and underlining in this glossary. Use the dot 46 italic indicator for the underlined words, because that is how underlining is most commonly shown. Use the boldface indicator for the blue typeface. It is NOT necessary to mention the use of the italics indicator in the underlined text in the TN. Just mention that the boldface indicator is used for the blue type and use that in the introductory text that explains the blue type.

Reminder: Don't forget to start using the new Formats Guidelines for all new books after Jenuary 1, 2013. You can start using the new guidelines NOW only for new books. Finish books already started with the 1997 Formats. Print emphasis is treated very differently in the new guidelines! Watch for it!

Thank you for sending the print and braille examples. They were both very helpful.

--Joanna

[joannavenneri]

Since this is a math book, I would call this a math question and agree that it is best posted at the math forum. When textbook formatting and Nemeth rule overlap, the Nemeth rules have precedence.

--Joanna

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