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I'm getting a little concerned here. This is not marginal material either. Please review the rule on marginal material.
Read the text to see if it refers to how this is called. Typically this type of graphic is called a word cluster and the preferred way of presenting them is by creating a tactile graphic. However, it is also acceptable to transcribe as an indented list. Insert a Transcriber's Note that says the following word cluster (or whatever the book calls it. Fine out!) is transcribed as an indented list. See the Formats rules on lists.
In this case there appears to be one cause with several effects under it.
Cause (1-5)
Effect (3-7)
Effect (3-7)
etc.--Joanna
Sorry. Forgot to say that the time line is not considered marginal material. The think the rule on marginal material gives a comprehensive definition of the different types of marginal material.
--Joanna
Sorry for the delay. In Formats, see Rule 17 Section 8 Time lines. Example 91 shows a time line that is much more complicated than the one have.
--Joanna
Thank you for sending the print page. That is exactly what is needed here. Do not confuse transcriber's notes with captions. Picture captions are placed where appropriate in the text. A careful reading of the text is the only way to tell where that appropriate placement is. My suggestion for this page is to place all the picture captions after the final paragraph on the page. See Rule 17 Section 2 regarding captions. The caption is in 7-5 and it consists ONLY of the caption as printed. If additional description or information is added, that is a transcriber's note and it would start in the a new 7-5 paragraph enclosed in transcriber's note indicators. Do NOT use the transcriber's note indicaotor with picture captions.
In this case, I would show each picture caption, one following the other, in a separate 7-5 paragraph.
Picture: [actual caption]
Picture: [actual caption]
etc.Each caption starts in 7 with runover in 5. No blank lines in between.
Note that on other pages, the picture captions will be placed in other locations according to what is appropriate to the text. Captions are usually placed immediately following the paragraph that refers to them. But read carefully. Sometimes it makes more sense to place the caption before the paragraph instead of after it. Sometimes an additional description in the form of a transcriber's note is also necessary. Do not simply place all picture captions at the end (or beginning) of a print page. Each caption must be placed where appropriate according to the text on that page.
Feel free to send more pages if you have any further questions.
--Joanna
See Rule 2 sections 1 and 2 in Braille Formats. Also see the title page examples. The print and braille page numbers listed on the title page are for the current volume only.
--Joanna
You need the 2007 Update to Braille Formats (includes update to EBAE and Nemeth Code) available at the BANA website http://www.brailleauthority.org. Click on the Latest Code Updates link. Here is a link to the .pdf download.
http://www.brailleauthority.org/update07/codesupdate2007-rev1.pdf
This download is critical and has been adopted as part of the rules. It has been in effect since 2008. See the Formats section for the format to use for the ISBN number.
--Joanna
I am so sorry that I can't send the actual print. In this case I am working with what I sent. I will try to describe it.
1. -- ____
This is a dialogue dash followed by a blank to fill in. It would be 36, 36, 36, 36, 36, 36 in braille.
2. --¡____
This is a dialogue dash followed by an inverted exclamation mark and a blank to fill in. It would be 36, 36, 6, 36, 36, 36, 36 in braille.
I can't tell. You have copied from the actual print and I need to see the actual print in order to tell what is a dialog opening and what is a blank to fill in. I see a long dash and two hyphens.And I also see this
2. --¡______ and I don't know what that i is. Are the two hyphens meant to be the opening dialog dash?????? All I can offer here is a guess, not an answer.
See section 6.5 in the Interim Manual on dashes, especially dashes used as opening dialog marks. Consider sending a scan of the actual print. The only way to find an answer is based on what the actual print looks like, not the way it is interpreted to be copied with a keyboard.
Sorry I can't be of more help with what is in front of me here.
--Joanna
Do I recall correctly? Are you writing on behalf of the inmates in a prison braille program? I think I remember your name in that connection but please excuse me if I'm mistaken. Thank you for attaching the print page. It is very helpful. The first choice for material of this type is to present it as a tactile graphic. It should be drawn and the appropriate information should be included in the drawing. Is there some reason why this is not being done? There is a set of guidelines that can be downloaded from the BANA website if you need further information about this. You can also ask at the Tactile Graphics section of this forum.
However, if that is not possible and you are instead going to describe this I would NOT include the information about colors as suggested in the transcriber's notes. Of course the pie chart and the bar graph is transcribed separately. After the title simply say in the transcriber's note that the pie chart (or bar graph) has been omitted in braille and the information is brailled as as list. Then braille the items in a simple list. When you do the bar graph, indicate which numbers are approximate since they have to be judged visually as they fall on the bar graph. The listed items might look like:
Irish: 1,887 people
German: 6,919 people
etc.
Braille the attribution after the last item with no blank line. The attitribution (Source) is brailled 4 cells to the right of the beginning of the preceding braille line.The pie chart has no atttribution. In the transcriber's note you could says that each year is followed by the number of committees, amd when you braille that, show which of the numbers is approximate.
1990: 60 (approximate)
1992: 150
1994: 250 (approximate)--Joanna
Sorry for the delay. I do have some suggestions for you, but I need a little more information. In the print file you sent, you said that you are using square backets for single underlining and braces for double underlining. In the print that you sent I don't see any double underlining, but in any case I am wondering why you are using square backets for single underlining. We may have to discuss this a little further because it changes the answers I would send. Even if double underlining happens elsewhere in this book and just not on the particular page you sent, I still would question using brackets for single underlining. Please share your reasoning on this.
Thanks.
--Joanna
One more thing--I see a medical symbol for "every." You can show that with dot e4 even though it normally means "euro" because you will list it that was as a special symbol and "euro" will not be on your special symbols list. However, if you do have a euro symbol in this book, then list your "every" symbol.
[simbraille]@ev]y[/simbraille]
But only do this if you really do have a euro sign in the book. Otherwise, dot 4e for the every symbol.
--Joanna
That's all I wanted to know. Here's the suggested solution.
These are not the standard print abbreviations that we are accustomed to in braille, like oz, ft, in, and so on. These are also not the standard print symbols that we also are accustomed to in braille like $ and %. The braille symbol for print sign is dot 4. So for Rx you will identificy that as
[simbraille]@prescrip;n[/simbraille]
Even a familiar one like 1/2 gets a dot 4 because it is shown by the technical medical symbol.
[simbraille]@#a/b[/simbraille]
Write a TN that explains that these technical medical symbols are used in print. Use the same term that the book uses for medical symbols. Maybe it's just medical symbols. Then list each one with its braille followed by the same identification that is given in the book.
I know that's a lot of dots for some of these, but that is the way the reader will know that a technical symbol is used there. It accurately conveys the print.
We are not concerned with what that print symbol actually looks like. We don't describe symbols (except in certain rare cases for a specific reason). We don't describe what the percent sign looks like in print, for instance. We just list it with its braille equivalent. I'm suggesting that you do the same here. And since there is no braille eqivalent, use the dot 4 with identification and that tells the reader that the medical symbol that means that is what it in the print. Use the identifications as given in the print. In that way, we faithfully follow the print. Don't forget the TN first that explains all this.
--Joanna
The transcriber with this question has left for the day, and it will be Tuesday before we can pull another page to copy. Unfortunately, I'm afraid the quality will not be any better than the first scanned pages.
But, in answer to your question about how they appear with the words - the meaning of the word is spelled out fully and not abbreviated. For instance, ounce is spelled out in a column beside its symbol, much like the document I sent. Both of the pages we previously attempted to provide show the information in such columns, though I think the transcriber said some of the text explains the meaning of the symbols as well.
Hope this helps you help us, but if not, we'll work toward gathering more information for you on Tuesday.
Thanks so much for the time you are taking with this.
Marie Amerson
