[joannavenneri]

Joanne,
9.6 Cross-References and Incidental Notes
9.6.1 These notes are formatted in the same way.
a. A reference mark is not used.
b. Font attributes are ignored, except when they are necessary for distinction.
c. A blank line precedes and follows the note to avoid the impression that it is “attached” to the previous or following paragraphs.
d. A blank line is not inserted between the heading and the note when the note includes a heading. The heading is in 7-7 followed on the next line by the note in 5-5.
e. A note without a heading is in 7-5.
f. The notes are inserted at the most appropriate location on the page.

The situation I am discussing would simulate Example 9-7 on page 9-8 of the Braille Formats Rule Book. If the Speaking Connections cross reference were to end up with the heading being on line 25 do you continue the note on the following page or does the entire note get moved to the next page following Rule 4 for headings?

[joannavenneri]

It's a great question. Is this hypothetical or is it a real situation you've encountered? If real, please send the print page.

If not, let me know, and we'll go into Guessing Mode.

What kind of heading? Cell 5? Centered?

--Joanna

[joannavenneri]

Hi Rebecca,

Your first suggestion is the one to use here. [simbraille]_..,ta# d'h@ote or .prix ._.fixe[/simbraille]

Here's why:
The entire phrase (more than 3 words) is bold, so it gets a double bold at the beginning and the closing bold before the final word.

The final two words are both in italics, so each one is preceded with italics. These final two words are also in bold and the addition of the single italic indicates to the braille reader the same thing that the print reader sees, that in addition to being bold, those final two words are also each in italics. That final word was preceded by the closing bold in the first place and the addition of the single italic to it also happens to be the same as bold italics, which is what it is.

The braille reader also sees that the text that follows this phrases has no font attributes.

What may be confusing is the the combination of the single italics with the closing bold happens to be the same sign as just a single bold italics, which would have been used if the other words in the phrase were not bold.

--Joanna

[joannavenneri]

Thank you! Use your first method, use the bold only for the words and NOT for the single letters and of course NO bold for the r and l single letters that begin the print statement--just letter signs for all these. A single letter that means a letter does not have emphasis, even when present in print. There are a couple of exceptions but that is rare and we're not going there!

So use your first option.

Thanks for the print!

--Joanna

[joannavenneri]

I have to see the print because I have to see EXACTLY what is emphasized and how. The ascii just lets me see the braille, not what it came from.

--Joanna

[joannavenneri]

You've certainly got a lot of question in this one post!

I'm sorry you haven't heard from Literary about O grandma. I have alerted Literary that there's a question waiting. Let's see about the response there.

I really need to see the print pages that your format questions address if I am to attempt to provide answers and not just guesses. The first situation you describe with the Unit or chapter title, picture and caption spread across 2 or more print pages is quite common, but it takes many different forms. There is no one answer, which is why is it not specifically address in Formats. Please post a scan of those pages so that I can see exactly what you are seeing. Formatting decisions are based on viewing, analyziing and INTERPRETING the print page material, so I need to see it. The resulting formatting decision is based on pertinent guidelines within Formats.

The is also true of your 5-5 directions question. I need to see the page. Usually, the exercise items follow the directions. so it depends on the purpose of those bulleted items. Are they a continuation of the directions? Are they some kind of displayed material? Answer choices? I have to be able to see the page.

I'll look forward to making suggestions about these interesting questions.

--Joanna

[joannavenneri]

Great, thank you!

Rebecca

[joannavenneri]

Hi again, Joanna! I am happy to be stuck with you in both Formats and Foreign Language. You are a great help!

To follow up on my table of contents question, when there is a range of pages listed in the print TOC, should this be retained in braille, or should only the first page be listed? For example,

Unita 6 """""""" 34-39
or
Unita 6 """"""""""" 34

Thanks,
Rebecca

[joannavenneri]

Hi Joanna,
Thank you for responding so promptly to my question. For some reason I didn't get a notification from the Forum when you replied, so I'm just responding now that I found your response on the Forum.

As requested, I'm attaching a .pdf of the page with the arrowheads. They appear in the entry for Unita 13. I'm wondering if I should just use the arrowhead symbols $[ and $o and an embedded TN stating that's what they are. Since there's no explanation in print, this would be giving the braille reader the same information as the sighted reader. What do you think?

Thanks much,
Rebecca

[joannavenneri]

This can vary, but to start, it would depend on whether thee is a heading in print. If there is simply a list of other books with no print heading, do not insert a heading. If this list is the only thing on the page and it has a print heading, a centered heading would probably work well.

There is not a specific rule about this as far as I know.

--Joanna

[joannavenneri]

This is word/letter puzzle. Take a hike over to Section 19.6 and use the guidelines there. The example given there does not match your situation exactly, but it can be generally used. Treat each missing letter likea worda in a vocabulary list and enclose the group in a box. Note that the box is mentioned specifically in the print. Write a TN to explain that the letter indicator and caps are not used with the letters. Also explain that a single hyphen is used to indicate each missing letter.

--Joanna

[joannavenneri]

Let's just look at the 10.3.3 actually says. Numbered or lettered directions are in 1-5. IF additional paragraphs are present, they are in 7-5. If additional paragraphs are NOT present, nothing happens! The numbered directions remain in 1-5 because their exercises items are the subentries in 3-5. The additional paragraphs in directions has nothing to do with it.

If you have a specific situation that is causing confusion on this point, please send the actual print page and we can look at this again.

--Joanna

[joannavenneri]

I think this is more of formatting issue than a foreign language issue. In any case, you're stuck with me since I'm the moderator of both Formats and Foreign Language. In foreign language we generally follow Formats, except where something specific to foreign language makes it necessary to do something else. There are no foreign language exceptions that apply here, so this is just about Formats.

Unita must be centered as you did in your "b" braille file. Unit headings are specifically required to be centered in Contents. So that takes care of that.

Titolo (Title) CANNOT be used as an identifier because an identifier is used ONLY in connection with numbered main entries. So even though Titolo is [u]repeated [/u]in each main entry, it is not [u]numbered[/u], so you just don't have an identifier here.

Thank you so much for sending the print and the braille samples. That is very helpful.

--Joanna

[joannavenneri]

Hi Rebecca,

Probably arrowheads and this probably means those bi-directional arrows. If at all possible, please send the print page where this appears so I can get a context. I may want to ask around on this one.

Thanks!

--Joanna

[joannavenneri]

Joanna,
Thanks so much for your input. I have in fact transcribed another Scripture and used the exact format you are speaking of. Verse numbers on the right margin, on the first line of each verse, and always having 2 blank cells to the left of the longest verse number on the braille page. I kind of like that format. And it was pretty obvious what to do. It worked well with that particular religious text. As recommended in Formats, I put the change on the TRanscribers Notes page in the "t" pages.

I'm thinking about the commentaries with this though. Are they going to follow the "rule" of having 2 blank cells to the left of the longest verse number on the braille page? Or are they going to use all 40 cells on the line? In the other Scripture I did, the "Bhagavad Gita", there were no commentaries. Do you all have a recommendation for this?

Thanks for your input. I like the idea of putting the verse numbers on the right margin. It seems like a very "braille-reader-friendly" thing to do.....

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