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Thank you! This is VERY helpful. Just what I was hoping for.
I'll study this and be back soon.
--Joanna
I'm going to see if I can attach a sample page. I think I did it. Let me know if it doesn't come through!
I would like more information about the print, preferably a scan of an actual print page. Is the text in each verse line-numbered? Is the text in each verse shown in poetic or prose form?
I don't think this is just a matter of centered headings, even though you have followed the format given for centered headings, blank line before and after. Headings that are centered in print are not always treated as braille centered headings for a variety of reasons that I'll be happy to discuss as soon as I have more information about the surrounding text.
So if you can send the information I have mentioned above, that would guide me to a more precise answer.
--Joanna
Since we follow print unless there is a VERY good reason not to, I think it's fine here to just follow the print and use the centered headings as shown in print, with a blank line before and after each heading, of course. I don't think it is necessary to start each preface on a new braille page if there is room for the centered heading and at least one line of text after the blank line. However, if the print page changes, you can insert the new print page indicator as usual.
--Joanna
Joanna, Thanks for your very helpful input. The print copy itself has the page numbers over on the right margin in the "normal" fashion of a table of contents. So I'm going to move the page numbers over to the left, and place them just to the right of the titles of the poems, separated by a comma. Since this is a change from the print format, I should add it as a Transcriber Note in my T pages?
Thanks again for your help.
SusieI agree with your analysis of this situation and your decisions for handling it. Even though this is printed in index format it serves the purpose of a table of contents and it is printed at the usual location for contents. Possibly the intent is to serve both purposes--to show what's in the book in a way that also allows for quick location to a specific poem. Follow the braille formatting for an index as you have described and also do not insert that blank line for alphabetical divisions.
I recommend that you treat this as contents and keep it as preliminary pages and you would in a conventional table of contents. If the PRINT heading is "Table of Contents," absolutely keep it in braille.
And just to clarify, Formats is not limited to textbooks. The official title Braille Formats: Principles, etc. never mentions textbooks. These format guidelines are for use in any print material.
--Joanna
I have conferred with Cindi Laurent who is the chair of the BANA Formats Technical Committee and the chair of the NBA Formats Committee as well. She confirms that this is corrected in the Formats Errata, posted on the BANA website and available to download. http://www.brailleauthority.org. The note should be in 7-5 in the example.
--Joanna
Hi isabelle,
I have conferred with Cindi Laurent, the chair of the BANA Formats Technical Committee and she advises the followsing:
The note on lines 24-25 should also be in 7-5 (like lines 13-14, which are in the errata) Lines 24-26 were missed and now are also in the errata.
The TN could be closed after the word checked on line 23 (and then "Note" would get its own open/close TNs) or it could be left open to include the words "Notes" (cell 7 line 24). Either way works. The word "note" is separate from the TN above it, but there is no rule that says it has to be in separate TN indicators or that it can't be treated as a separate TN.
Hope that helps!
--Joanna
Several transcribers I know have this series at different grade levels. I would suggest that you ask the agency how they want this handled. All of the options you suggested are correct; the trick here is to determine which is the main title and which is the series title and that may depend on how the agency has determined that. Ask them and please post the answer here.
I am currently mentoring some transcribers who have this series at Grade 7 and they have chosen your second option.
Go ahead and ask and let us know!
--Joanna
I agree with using the dot 4 print symbol indicator with these questions marks. See Formats Section 18.3.3 to start. Precede each question mark with a dot 4 and follow print. If there is no space in print, they should be unspaced in braille. I'm not sure that the TN given there is a good fit for this situation. I prefer your idea of the embedded TN. Take a look at Formats Section 3.2.3 and the sample that follows. You might do something like ??? TNfreestanding question marksTN [braille]@8@8@8 ,'free/&+ "q m>ks,'
--Joanna
Ok. Thanks for the information. So it sounds like the only way for me to have an up-to-date copy of Braille Formats 2011 including the errata is to print the entire formats and then manually write in the corrections, or check the errata each time I use the online version of Formats to make sure nothing changed. I am not shooting the messenger, trust me, but it seems like there should be a better way. I was so excited when I was able to use the online Formats and not throw a heavy book around anymore.
Thanks for all you do,
Patty
edited by ricia2001 on 3/29/2014Attached is the print. I'm proofing this material. The client told the transcriber to include a descriptive TN before each drawing.
I asked about placement of the TN to make certain I understand BF11 [3.2.3] errata addition "either before or after the text".
I'd appreciate any suggestions I can pass on.
Thank you!
