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As you have implied, this is a literary EBAE question, so I would post this at the literary braille forum. I think that what you have cited here is the statement from Formats that shows how this basic braille EBAE formulation is applied in a specific format, namely, headings. Formats is going to address formatting, after all. My understanding is that ANY letter/number combination such as this, uses the period and the decimal is used only between numbers. I don't think it matters whether it is a heading or not. But you might inquire over at Literary Braille because that is the jurisdiction of this question.
--Joanna
Thanks, Joanna.
I forgot to ask about numbered/lettered directions. I was unsure if 10.3.3 applied to all numbered/lettered directions. Based on your response, it appears that the runover for numbered/lettered directions will be determined by the furthest level of indention for the subitems. Is that right?
Also, can you explain why the bulleted items in the last exercise are treated as subitems and not additional paragraphs for the directions? What would be an example of "additional paragraphs"?
Best,
RebeccaThere are certainly several different print layouts used here and so there will have to be some different braille formatting for each of there. I don’t see any way that the braille formatting can be the same for all of them.
I’ve seen a similar layout in standardized tests.
I would have the paragraph number by itself in 1-5 (Of course it’s too short for a runover, but that’s what the runover would be if one were needed.)
Blank line and then the displayed paragraph, which is 7-5 for this indented paragraph. (Displayed material in exercises in cell 5.)
See Formats 9.4.1 for the attribution, which is 5 cells to the right of the previous line. Be brave and block that in cell 10.
Answer choices follow in 3-5 after a blank line.
Next is B and C and the general and specific ideas. These are elaborate answer choices and answer choices are listed vertically. It’s especially important for the braille reader to be able to easily distinuguish and word PAIRS from single words. This is easily done visually, but in braille, not so much. I think that is what you were asking about. Vertical listing should address the spacing of words and word pairs.
B. The following items are made up of .... MAIN ENTRY 1-9
11. 3-9 by itself. These numbered items have have two levels (specific and general) in the same item, so each level must be broken out.
Specific ideas: 5-9
beef 7-9
veal 7-9
pork 7-9
General ideas: 5-9
Printed blank lines are omitted.Note what happens with the word pairs in C.
C. For each, 1-9
16. 3-9
General ideas: 5-9
allergy symptoms 7-9
Specific ideas: 5-9
runny nose: 7-9Omit all those print lines to write on. They are not in the middle of a sentence and the text tells the reader what to do and how many answers to give.
This will be relatively painless because most of these are not long enough to have an actual runover except in the first paragraph, but remember that braille readers find the runover position helpful in determining what to expect in the text that follows. It tells them exactly how many levels to anticipate. And the progressive indention and vertical listing provides additional clarity.
That last B. Just maintain the nexted list format.
B. in each pair, one idea 1-9
• Cirle the idea ... and DON’T FORGET THE BULLET. 3-9
• Then write one more ... 3-9
5-6. 5-9 by itself
light bulb 7-9
lamp 7-9--Joanna
Thanks for attachment. I misread your question and thought you meant per mile. Sorry!
This is a math symbol. If you are not doing this as a general textbook, see Formats 1.3.4 about short examples of math or chemistry notation. Use the beginning and end Nemeth symbols.
Post this question over at Math on Expert and ask them for the exact braille used for this symbol.
--Joanna
I don't know what you mean by "per-mile" sign. There is no specific sign for that. Do you mean that slash? Can you send me an example of what this per mile looks like in print?
--Joanna
I MUST be missing something. Why would you need a page change indicator? Can't the next print page just start on a new braille page? And the end of volume statement can be on that.
--Joanna
Thanks for your quick replies! It would work just fine for me to put a page change indicator on a new braille page for print page 46 and leave a blank line, and then put my end of volume statement. I guess I have just never seen that before, but there are first times for everything.
SusanSingle side, not interpoint.
Page 46 has just the page number (46) and a running head which pertains to the section being finished (Graphs). Nothing else.
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SusanThinking about this some more--it's harder when it's not in front of you--but if page 46 is the last page of the volume, why does it need to be combined with anything? There are no missing pages between 45 and 46, are there? So can't 46 just come next, end the volume and begin the next volume with 47? Did I miss something?
--Joanna
Is this interpoint or single sided? Is page 46 actually present in the book with the print page number 46?
--Joanna
No, it doesn't feel so wrong. It LOOKS so wrong. That's because you and I can see it. But your reader can't. There is a similar question a couple of posts down called Index Alpha Divisions that raises the same issue. Here is my response to that:
Print readers see a blank line immediately and read on, but braille readers can only tell by journeying across at last half of the print page, whether that line is indeed blank or bearing text. In the case of that very short alphabetical division, when centered, it also requires a journey across half the page before the reader knows it's there. The elimination of that blank line may not be so pleasing to look at for the print reader, but I suspect it improves the reading experience in braille. The braille reader has to look at only one line past the running head, catch that division letter, and immediately see text close in, if not actually at, the left margin on the very next line.
Of course here, the next text will be in cell 5, pretty close in, especially since the reader will now be aware that these are cell-5 entries and be expecting to see them. And as you have rightly noted, there is no exception for headings. No blank line before and after alpha division letters except for the very first one. That way, the reader spends as little time as possible to get across from a letter to the next entry.
--Joanna
Yes. That's why it's called GUIDELINES. "Primary" means "the first one." And if there's no SECOND type of bullet, then this is the ONLY bullet type and there's no need to imply that there are other types. This is a now way to handle the situation when there IS more than one type of bullet. Previously, there was not a provision for this and now there is.
"Guidelines" means that everything is not spelled out and that transcriber are encouraged to use professional good judgment.
--Joanna
Me too. Seriously. Displayed material has a blank line preceding. This announces to the reader that the nature of the text has changed. No problem with that when the displayed material begins on the same braille page. But if text ends on line 25, there's no space for the blank line except at the beginning of the next page.
I use that as my starting point. When I have a specific situation as I'm transcribing that I can't figure out, I look in Formats for information and hopefully, an example. I don't think there is an absolute unifying principle for this or even a hard and fast procedure for all cases. With situations like this I find it best to work on a case-by-case basis. And you're always welcome here.
--Joanna
