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ModeratorThank you for the example. I appreciate what you are trying to do in your proposed transcription. Please let me suggest the alternative shown in the attached image. In that alternative, I have:
- indicated that the first Tens column is blank and *not* blank-to-be-filled-in, because zero tens and seventeen ones *does* equal the number 17.
- placed the numbers and the equals signs that make up the equation all on the same braille line.
- kept the column headings on a line separate from the equation whose parts they label.
- placed the opening Nemeth Code indicator as well as the Nemeth Code terminator on lines by themselves around the "table."
Please do let me know if you have follow-up questions or concerns.
–Kyle
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ModeratorGreetings, Carmen! Thank you for your question.
The "k any integer" is a constraint to the expression x−2kπ. Although the constraint is mathematically necessary to the full definition of the expression, it does not technically belong inside Nemeth Code switch indicators.
–Kyle
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ModeratorThank you for the question, Russell.
The letter grades in your example DO NOT need English Letter indicators when they are immediately followed by a symbol of operation; the letter grades in your example DO need English Letter indicators when they are "single letters" (without a sign of operation). [See section 25 of the Nemeth Code.]
For each letter-operation-sign-apostrophe-s sequence, the punctuation indicator should precede the apostrophe and the sequence should be punctuated mathematically; for each letter-apostrophe-s sequence, no mathematical punctuation is necessary. See section 27.e of the Nemeth Code for some relevant examples. The attached image contains a suggested transcription for the portion of the text you asked about.
Thank you for your time and attention.
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ModeratorGood day, Fred:
Thank you for the question. Let’s look at the three parts of your sample document:
- Should computer code numbers be in Nemeth Code (e.g., G40, G42, etc.)? No, I would not put these codes in Nemeth switch indicators.
- Should equations be in Nemeth Code? Yes (including “PITCH = 1/Threads per inch”, “1.0 divided by 8 TPI = .125”, “(1.500-.75)/2 = .375”). I agree that “Z-Axis” does not require Nemeth Code; it is not a math expression.
- Should [line-by-line] computer code be in Nemeth Code? The Guidance for Transcription Using the Nemeth Code within UEB Contexts is not designed to address computer code. UEB is equipped to handle computer notation (See Guidelines for Technical Material, section 17). I would use UEB for computer notation like this.
Thank you again for your thoughtful questions. Please let me know if you have follow-up concerns.
–Kyle
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ModeratorSince Nemeth Code gives a specific definition of and format for instructions, I would say 5-3, with or without bullets retained, is the correct format for your example.
Thank you for the question!
—Kyle
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ModeratorI am glad to be able to provide some input.
I think you might have neglected to remove highlighting from commas in the second set of examples (I acknowledge that this could be a file version issue).
The new example problem is exactly in line with what I suggested.
I'm not at all adamant about the two highlighting colors. I used separate colors for initial and for secondary highlighting mostly for the sake of our discussion, which has been fun.
Thank you!
–Kylekdejute
ModeratorShelley,
Thank you for tapping this Ask an Expert resource to ask about your training materials. Overall, your examples are correct. I have attached a DOCX file that includes slightly different highlighting than yours as well as commentary (accessed under the Review tab in WORD).
You may consider including an example item (let's call it item #99) that is all Nemeth material and occurs following an item that ends in UEB and another item that begins with Nemeth material. In such an example item, the opening Nemeth Code indicator would best be placed following the item identifier (99.), and Nemeth mode would be left in effect through the end of item #99 and through item identifier 100. This could serve to reinforce your well-stated point that in linear math, nothing gets between an item identifier and its margin.
Thank you again for sharing your process.
–Kyle
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ModeratorThank you, Shelley.
I've looked at your attachment, and your third option is the correct one. This is because it keeps the math expression altogether on one braille line and allows the Nemeth Code terminator to be placed on a line with material preceding it. In other words, there is a preference for keeping the terminator on a line with the math expression, and there is no rule or preference for keeping the word "Solve:" with the math expression that follows it.
–Kyle
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ModeratorThank you for identifying what Code combination you’re using.
It sounds like you have an equals sign modified with a question mark over it. See Nemeth Code, sections 86 and 101. See also Lesson 12 (specifically section 12.6.4) of the Provisional Revised Nemeth Course.
Thank you for the question and for your attention. Please post again if you have follow-up concerns.
–Kyle
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ModeratorShelley,
A Nemeth Code terminator followed by punctuation may begin a line if they will not fit on the preceding line (or if fitting them would require dividing a math expression). Punctuation that follows a Nemeth Code terminator may not begin a line by itself.
I’m afraid your file did not attach. Could you attach a BRF instead of a DXB?
Thank you for the question!
–Kyle
kdejute
ModeratorThank you for your question.
First, you're correct that Nemeth Code says to format instructions in 5-3. A second paragraph in instructions should be formatted in 5-3. I suppose you could choose to condense all of your instructions to one paragraph if you can do so consistently throughout the book.
There is no hard and fast rule for how to represent the colored rectangles in your example (thank you for the attachment). Perhaps you could use other shapes to represent the other colors of rectangles. If you do that, you must explain it in a key for the reader.
Please let me know if you have follow-up questions or concerns.
–Kyle
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ModeratorFred,
Thank you for your post.
First, titles for figures, tables, sections, etc. are transcribed in UEB. See #3 under Additional Guidelines in the Guidance for Transcription Using the Nemeth Code within UEB Contexts. But decimals are transcribed in Nemeth Code. See #3.a under Basic Guidance on When to Switch in the Guidance for Transcription Using the Nemeth Code within UEB Contexts.
Second, I do not understand your reference. I presented a workshop called "Discourse on Nemeth within UEB Context" in October 2016 at the NBA conference in St. Louis, Missouri. I presented a workshop called "Nemeth within UEB Contexts, Parts 1 & 2" last year (October 2017 at the NBA conference in Orlando, Florida).
I will present an updated version of the workshop "Nemeth within UEB Contexts, Parts One & Two" this year (October 24-26, 2018 at the NBA conference in Detroit, Michigan). Examples similar to the one you referenced are included in that workshop. After this year's conference, the most up-to-date "Nemeth within UEB Contexts, Parts One & Two" will be available to purchase from NBA. Possibly, a version of the workshop "Discourse on Nemeth within UEB Context" will also be available to purchase.
Have I answered your question?
–Kyle
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ModeratorThank you for passing along this question, Shelley. Your interpretation is correct; the BANA Nemeth Code Technical Committee does NOT consider the symbols-sequence "and/or" to be a single word, so it could not be preceded by the Nemeth Code single-word switch indicator.If "and/or" occured between two pieces of mathematical material, Nemeth Code would have to be terminated before "and/or".Please do post again if you have follow-up concerns or questions.kdejute
ModeratorThank you for your question, Shelley. I am conferring with others and will get back to you as soon as we have agreed.
–Kyle
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ModeratorGreetings, Trumbull:
Since the superscript indicator precedes a minus that is a left superscript, the negative integers in your example do NOT require a numeric indicator. This is because the minus is in fact not preceded by a space; it is preceded by an indicator.
Thank you, as always, for your question!
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