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ModeratorNo, the list to which you refer includes the listing "blank table entries to be filled in," because there are Nemeth-specific rules for some instances of such things.
To answer your broader question:
If a table is done in UEB, then 2016 Formats, which BANA has approved and which will be released soon, says to use a series of dot 5s for blank cells within a table (and explain the use of these in a transcriber's note).
If a table is transcribed in Nemeth Code:
1) If there is an actual blank space, you would use the general omission symbol.
2) If there is a dash or a shape indicating something to be filled in, use that dash or shape as Nemeth requires.
--Kyle (with Dorothy Worthington's helpful input)
If you would like to discuss this further, please include an example of the print table(s).
kdejute
ModeratorCindy,
I opened so many browser tabs! And I finally found a video on "constant functions" that shows an image similar to what you're asking about–That image changed, from a multiplication sign to a division sign, to plus sign, etc., based on the type of function being set as constant. This character seems to be automatically generated by the calculator as a sort of status reminder.
I strongly believe that the character you reference following the 3, 5, and 7 in your PDF is a white plus sign on a black background; in other words, it's a plus sign. I strongly suspect that what follows the 2 is the same character but poorly reproduced.
Thanks to you and to your braillist for asking!
–Kyle
The video I found is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECNsabnKZaE
kdejute
ModeratorYes, the Guidance for Transcription Using the Nemeth Code within UEB Contexts tells us to transcribe in Nemeth Code "isolated signs of operation or comparison when mentioned in reference to [any mathematical expression or chemical formula]." So, for your example, I would open Nemeth Code after the word "of" and close it before the comma following the minus sign.
Thank you for your question.
–Kyle
kdejute
ModeratorIf I understand your question correctly, you are asking how to represent blanks within tables when those blanks are meant to be filled in.
According to Braille Formats, Partially Filled-In Tables (section 11.9) should be transcribed with a dash for each blank cell that is meant to be filled-in. If your table with a blank that is meant to be filled-in is transcribed in UEB, use the UEB dash (6, 36); if your table with a blank that is meant to be filled-in is transcribed in Nemeth, use the dash appropriate to the Nemeth Code (36, 36).
If your table is transcribed in a listed format, follow #11 under Formatting in the Guidance for Transcription Using the Nemeth Code within UEB Contexts. That is, use the double dash (36, 36, 36, 36) for blank entries that are to be filled in.
Braille Formats (section 11.6.5) says that a series of dot 5s should be used "when the column entries are empty and are not meant to be filled in by the reader."
kdejute
ModeratorTeresa,
Thank you for your question. Attached is a simbraille image of how I would transcribe the example you provided using Nemeth Code within a UEB context.
–Kyle
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ModeratorAngela,
No, in a Nemeth transcription of the example you give, an English letter indicator should not be used with the "c". The letter "c" is in regular type, unspaced from a sign of operation (the slash is a sign of operation here).
Cheers!
–Kylekdejute
ModeratorCindy,
The arrows certainly seem to have meaning that must somehow be provided for the braille reader. I think the straight horizontal arrows denote an addition number family, and, possibly, the up and right arrows denote a multiplication number family.
Tactile representation would preserve the print's focus on presenting the numbers with spatial relationships.
Still, I think a well worded TN and shapes designated specifically for each kind of number family arrow could get the information to the reader. This might be particularly important if it saves you from inserting scores or hundreds of tactiles. If you use shapes, I suggest that they should be created using Nemeth rules for representing a new shape, and the numbers (including numbers represented by letters) that are part of these families should be in the Nemeth bubble with the shape.
--Kyle
kdejute
ModeratorFair enough. Your question about the "whys" is a good one.
First, "function" in "the function f(x) = 4x-9" is not part of the name of the function, so it is not part of the technical expression.
Similarly, "sequence" in "a sequence t(n)" and "function" in "the function j(x)" are also not part of the NAME of the sequence or function.
Third, "slope" in "a line with slope 3/2" is not part of the technical expression, because a slope does not traditionally have a "proper name" like "Triangle ABC" or "Angle G"; a slope is a value and not a singular item.
Similarly, "x-intercept" in "x-intercept (4, 0)" is not part of a technical expression, because it does not work with the enclosed list to identify a singular item; "(4, 0)" does that by itself.I am not ready to extrapolate universal rules from the above. But do the statements above make sense on their own, and will they help you to wade through material more comfortably?
–Kyle
kdejute
ModeratorTrumbull,
None of the four words you ask about needs to be a transcribed in Nemeth Code.
--Kyle
kdejute
Moderator<p style="text-align: left;">Thank you for the question.</p>
For "1.258 grams per centimeters cubed (g/cm³)." I would enclose "1.258 grams" in one set of Nemeth switch indicators and "(g/cm³)" in another set of Nemeth switch indicators. That second chunk DOES include the parentheses.For "grams (g) of 3 cm³ of the substance at room temperature." I would enclose only "cm³" in a set of Nemeth switch indicators.
I hope that helps! Please post here again if you are looking for further explanation.
Cheers!
--Kyle
kdejute
ModeratorI believe you are asking about the Nemeth Code terminator that follows the second tactile graphic in the PDF you attached.
Placing the terminator in cell one would not keep the identifier that follows it from doing its job, I don't think. Nor would that placement prevent the termonator from doing its job.
Since the Guidance specifically says to place the terminator in cell 1, that is really where it should be.
kdejute
ModeratorH'lo, Jonathan:
Since what you have is signs of omission surrounded by grouping indicators, and that would qualify as an "enclosed list" according to Nemeth Code definitions, I would advise you to put in Nemeth switch indicators these answer place-holders that are enclosed lists.
Thank you for the question!
--Kyle
kdejute
ModeratorIn fact, the wording on placement of Nemeth Code indicators around spatial material has changed in the updated Guidance. [Wording that mentions "the margin" was retained for discussion of tables.]
See #8.b under Additional Guidelines on page 9 of the Guidance for Transcription Using the Nemeth Code within UEB Contexts. (http://brailleauthority.org/ueb/nemeth-guidance/Nemeth%20Guidance%20Final.pdf)
The Nemeth Code terminator that follows a spatial arrangement should be in cell 1 on a line by itself, preceded by a blank line.
kdejute
ModeratorThank you for the question, Lynda.
A hyphen as a mark of punctuation does not indicate that material be transcribed in Nemeth. A hyphen is not a modification of a number.
So, neither "8-ounce" nor "10-20 ounces" need be transcribed in Nemeth.
October 3, 2016 at 9:56 pm in reply to: More questions about extent of measurement unit within switch indicators #27534kdejute
ModeratorAh, I see your question.
"72 minutes" should not be transcribed in Nemeth switch indicators. Nor should "72 hours" "72 seconds" or "72 pounds", because the simple numeral "72" falls under the exception described in 3.a under Basic Guidance on When to Switch in the Guidance.
It is not the unit that determines whether a value is technical/mathematical. We determine whether a value is technical/mathematical and Nemeth Code switch indicators are necessary based on what comes before the unit of measure. A decimal, for example, does necessitate Nemeth switch indicators.
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