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  • in reply to: Calculator #26669
    kdejute
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    Thank you for your question and for including such a clear example.

    You're quite right that the caret sign indicates a key-press on a calculator.

    Now, there is a section (113.d) in the Nemeth Code that gives rules for transcribing a keystroke indicated in print by a sort of key/button shape with material inside it. However, in this case, print is not using any shape to indicate a key-press. So, I would follow print and present these representations without "keystroke" indicators.

    For the caret, I suggest you do not braille it in a superscript position. Rather, its meaning will best be presented by keeping it on the baseline, as in the attached .BRF.

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    in reply to: Bar over line segment letters #26160
    kdejute
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    Oh, thank you!

    –Kyle

    in reply to: Geometry #22901
    kdejute
    Moderator

    The tilde is a sign of comparison (see page 136 of the Nemeth Code, where it is part of the list of signs and symbols of comparison), and so it must follow the rules for spacing of symbols of comparison, which are in §151:

    [quote=]"A space must be left on either side of a comparison symbol. However, a space must not be left between the comparison symbol and any punctuation symbol, grouping symbol, or indicator which applies to it."[/quote]
    The "∆s" that follows the tilde in the example you give is a plural shape (see §39 of the NC) and is not part of the sign of comparison (tilde).

    Thank you for your question.

    –Kyle

    in reply to: superscripts #22898
    kdejute
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    Good day, Susan:

    It looks like all of the negative signs in this document are printed in a superscript position. So, it is practical for you to ignore print placement of signs of operation in this case. Just be sure to include a TN explaining that all of the negative signs are printed in a superscript position, but this superscript placement is not reproduced in braille.

    Thank you for your question.
    –Kyle

    in reply to: Provisional Guidance #22895
    kdejute
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    I certainly understand your question; I've also wrestled with the issue of which words to include in Nemeth mode.

    After conferring with people more knowledgeable than I, I can tell you that if words are part of a math expression, they are math. So, something like "Perimeter = the sum of the side lengths" should be in Nemeth mode.

    For the "Units of Time" list on page 562, I too would include all its components in one big Nemeth mode.

    Units of Time begin Nemeth

    60 seconds (s) = 1 minutes (min)
    60 minutes = 1 hour (h), etc.
    ...
    100 years = one century end Nemeth

    As for your note on the TN page about graphics being in Nemeth, I believe you could use that note and then not include switch indicators around the graphics. Personally, I would not do this; I would include switch indicators around graphics if they are in Nemeth mode, with the reasoning that this would be more useful to the reader. Regardless, you do need to follow all the guidelines laid out in the Provisional Guidance within a graphic transcribed in Nemeth mode (including guidelines regarding words).

    Thank you for your well though out and well presented question. If you have further concerns, please do let me know.

    –Kyle
    edited by kdejute on 11/15/2015

    in reply to: Nemeth Indicators #22866
    kdejute
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    It's a good question, and I apologize that my response was delayed.

    In the example you provided, the word "inch" is a word and so should be transcribed in UEB. So, your first suggestion, to use the one-word switch indicator for each "inch" is the one that I would choose. If you do not transcribe "inch" in UEB, then it could be argued that you've treated it as technical material, a sort of "i times n times c times h" instead of treating it as a word.

    Thank you for your question, and thank you sincerely for providing a shot of the print.

    in reply to: notes in science book #22862
    kdejute
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    Thank you Kyle Section 4 is where I had been looking. I appreciate your time. Janice

    in reply to: notes in science book #22861
    kdejute
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    Janice,

    Without seeing your text, I cannot say whether it is partially or totally technical. Please see section 4 of the Nemeth Code in order to determine what type of text you are dealing with. Part b of section 4 may be particularly helpful. (A PDF scan of the Nemeth Code is available here: http://brailleauthority.org/mathscience/nemeth1972.pdf [Please note that this PDF does not include any of the updates to the Nemeth Code, which are available here: http://brailleauthority.org/mathscience/math-science.html%5D)

    If your text is totally technical, then the document Application of the Formats Guidelines to Nemeth Transcriptions will likely be helpful.

    Does that help to clarify the issue?
    --Kyle

    in reply to: Rule 6.6.2.1 #22850
    kdejute
    Moderator

    Here is a complete answer (with input from members of both the BANA Tactile Graphics committee and the NBA Mathematics committee):

    I assume that the "Rule 6.6.2.1" you're asking about is from the Guidelines and Standards for Tactile Graphics. Further, I think what you are asking about is the fourth bullet under 6.6.2.2, which says
    [quote=]Axis lines with arrows indicating the indefinite nature of the axes of the graph should be positioned so that the arrowheads are outside the boundary of the grid. If space does not permit the placement of the arrowheads outside the grid, the tips of the arrowheads may be positioned to reach the outer-most grid lines.[/quote]
    In this guideline, "indefinite" is almost the same as "infinite." So, if an arrowhead at the end of an axis indicates that the axis goes on forever, then the arrowhead "indicates the indefinite [or infinite/unending] nature" of the axis. This tends to be the set-up of most grids, and the arrow at the end of an axis indicates that the axis goes on forever, whether the arrowhead is inside or outside of the grid.

    For all practical purposes, any arrow on an axis line is infinite, whether placed inside or outside the grid lines.

    So, a definite axis line will have no arrowhead while an indefinite one will.

    Does that clarify things for you?

    Thank you for your question and your attention.
    –Kyle

    in reply to: Rule 6.6.2.1 #22849
    kdejute
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    I am checking with people more knowledgeable than I on this issue, and I will post a thorough answer as soon as possible.

    in reply to: Matrices #22846
    kdejute
    Moderator

    This looks like a case of print terminology not aligning with the braille definition of the print material. So, I would transcribe the print items you attached to your question according to the [u]Braille Formats 2011 guidelines for tables.[/u]

    Nonetheless, I urge you to retain the column/row layout of these tables if at all possible and to avoid the listed, linear, or stairstep formats, so that these print items retain what similarities they have to traditional mathematical matrices.

    Thank you for your question.
    –Kyle

    in reply to: Directions with display #22840
    kdejute
    Moderator

    Thank you for your question.

    I would suggest that the text "For any distribution ... deviations of the mean." is a displayed snippet of text and should be formatted according to the displayed material guidelines of Braille Formats, 2011.

    The next chunk of text, beginning with "Example For any distribution, ..." does appear to be instructions preceding itemized material. The directive nature of "Find the fraction of all the numbers ..." especially makes me think this. So, I would suggest that the text beginning "Example ..." before item #15 should be formatted in 5-3.

    in reply to: Common Core – New Way of Adding #22835
    kdejute
    Moderator

    I believe you are asking how to braille the illustration of the "New Groups Below" method that's shown on the print page you attached.

    There is not a specific Nemeth rule for this situation. I would suggest using the "carried number indicator" (explained in Nemeth Code §178.d) much as you would for the "New Groups Above" method. Attached is an image of the braille I might use.

    You should include a transcriber's note explaining that "the numbers printed on the separation line are brailled between the separation line and the carried number indicator".
    edited by kdejute on 9/5/2015

    in reply to: Italic passage enclosed in punctuation (nesting?) #22831
    kdejute
    Moderator

    It appears to me, based on the print you included, that the quotation marks are not included in the italics, so I would put the italic indicators inside the quote marks. However, if the quotes ARE obviously included in the italics, the indicators can enclose the whole thing. Either way is OK according to UEB rules. If the book is inconsistent in the way this is handled, I would treat them all consistently...pick one way and do them all the same.

    Cindi

    in reply to: Matrix with column headings #22827
    kdejute
    Moderator

    Thank you for the question.

    I would suggest that you follow the Nemeth rules for matrices and keep the closing enlarged grouping signs unspaced from at least one entry in the right-most column. Then the column separation line under "NorthClean" will extend beyond the matrix.

    As for dot 5s between columns, since the Nemeth rules for a matrix do not include them, I would say you should not include them.

    So, I would not move the closing enlarged brackets so they are outside the column. And I would not use guide dots between the columns of your matrix. My thinking here is that it's best to follow the Nemeth rules inside the matrix and apply the table rules outside the matrix as far as is necessary.

    Please do let me know if you have further questions.

    –Kyle

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