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ModeratorFred,
Is there any chance you can share an image of the print you’re working with? I’m not certain I know what you mean by “mapping diagrams (input/output tables).”
–Kyle
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ModeratorConnie,
Thank you for your question!
For a "nothingness" like that which follows the equals in "2+2 = ", UEB does not tell us to use a visible space indicator (or anything else). So, I strongly advocate for following print and simply not putting anything.
#b"6#b "7
I would do this whether the expression were embedded within text or displayed or part of a series of expressions.
Again, thank you for the question. Please let me know if you need more information or have follow-up questions!
–Kyle
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Moderator[In a perfect world, I think these long web addresses would be digital so that the user could simply click them without having to wade through their coding/navigation components. ... If we were feeling like going way above and beyond to create accommodations, we could conceivably use bit.ly or another service to create a shortcut for these web addresses and share that shortcut in a transcriber's note.]
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ModeratorBelated greetings, Shawn:
I do not know of any specific guideline or rule that applies to breaking a long "nonsense" string of letters that is unspaced.
I suspect you already know that 14.7 of the Instruction Manual for Braille Transcribing – UEB Edition, 2015 says, " Make the division at a logical break and at a point that is not between two letters or between two digits." I acknowledge that isn't helpful in the case you describe.
First, I would double-check for any punctuation or words and endeavor to break between words or after any punctuation.
After checking that, if you still have to force a braille line break in a string of letters that is unspaced, I would endeavor to make the line break where it does not interrupt any contractions.
The braille user is lucky to have someone who is working hard to make even the messy web addresses be as reader-friendly as they can be.
Braille on!
–Kylekdejute
ModeratorI think you found a very good solution, Melissa. Thank you for sharing!
–Kyle
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ModeratorGreat question. Thank you, Lucas.
Personally, I would put a grade 1 symbol indicator between the minus symbol and the letter. But I have cross-posted this question in NBA's tactile graphics forum so we can get further input. In that forum, the question is titled Number Line Question, negative lowercase letter below number line.
–Kyle
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ModeratorThank you for your question, Susan!
We think it is alright to use the visible space symbol without any grade 1 indicators as long as it does not follow a letter.
If we use the one-cell visible space symbol instead of the box that print shows to indicate an omission, we should explain that change in a transcriber's note. For example, "The visible space symbol .=+ is used in braille where print has a box."
A possible transcription of item 1 from the print you shared is attached (as a picture and as a BRF).
What do you think? Does this help?
–Kyle
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ModeratorWe (NBA's UEB Technical Material Committee) are debating and will get back with you today or tomorrow. –Kyle
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ModeratorYou found it!
GTM 3.1.3 says:
Signs of comparison are unspaced when they appear in an expression
which is not on the base line.We also talked about this in the webinar "Spacing Exceptions," which is in the NBA archive of short webinars.
Braille on!
–Kylekdejute
Moderator"With a fair few tactile graphics" is likely the answer. For grades K-3, we really are encouraged to use tactile graphics instead of shape symbols (by both Guidelines and Standards for Tactile Graphics and Guidelines for the Transcription of Early Educational Materials).
Your example is no exception. We have to expect that the teacher will refer to the arrows, boxes, and circles. And it is reasonable to expect that the second-grade student will not be fluent in UEB arrow symbols, shape symbols, or symbols for physical enclosure (e.g., a circle with a minus inside it).
Perhaps something roughly like the transcription in the attached picture will work for you. Make sure your graphics (unlike the rough draft in the attached picture) follow Guidelines and Standards for Tactile Graphics best practices (i.e., correct arrowhead shape as well as texture of and spacing around lines).
Braille on!
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ModeratorExactly. We cannot use contractions within a numeric passage, because numeric mode sets grade 1 mode.
Regarding the carried numbers' need for numeric indicators, again: exactly. If it is not in a numeric passage, we must use a numeric indicator for a carried number so it cannot be misread as a letter or series of letters.
So glad we can help!
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ModeratorSusan,
You should probably confirm with your customer (or teacher or student), but, yes, I think you could use braille column headings coupled with careful alignment to capture the intent of the partial sum boxes/tables/diagrams that are shown in the print examples you shared.
For what it is worth, attached is a .brf and a picture of how we might transcribe these partial sum examples.
–Kyle
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You must be logged in to view attached files.July 18, 2023 at 5:33 pm in reply to: use of numeric indicator in number lines in UEB Math/Science #40279kdejute
ModeratorWell said!
In short, no. At least, not according to the yet-to-be-published Guidelines and Standards for Tactile Graphics, 2022.
I would not include the numeric passage indicator or numeric passage terminator for a number line. Remember, a note would need to be included on the Transcriber’s Note page alerting the reader of the omission.
–Kyle
July 12, 2023 at 9:37 am in reply to: format of UEB displayed spatial addition problem and numeric passage indicators #40258kdejute
ModeratorYou're going to love this. ... We are not totally certain! However ...
The majority of the members of NBA's committee on UEB for Technical Materials would place the numeric passage indicator and numeric terminator around a spatial arrangement in cell 1.
But I cannot point to a particular rule or guideline to support that.
Our reasoning could be explained as follows. When you start getting into displayed material, the indentions for runovers can get up to cell 9 and further. In the interest of simplifying and staying consistent, we recommend consistently putting the indicators for a numeric passage in cell 1. [Though we are very tempted to follow Braille Formats and place the indicators for a numeric passage based on those principles.]
Last, but not least, remember the final paragraph of GTM 4.1, which says,
The line above and below spatial calculations should either be blank, or should only contain the numeric passage indicator or terminator.
Braille on!
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