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Analog clocks are represented with a tactile graphic. Details are given in Section 6.1 of Guidelines and Standards for Tactile Graphics, 2022. Since the numeric indicator is not used on analog clocks (6.1.1.1) the clock face numbers will essentially look the same in either code.
Does this answer your question? I will check with the Tactile Graphics committee to see if I have overlooked anything.
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June 15, 2024 at 10:43 am in reply to: Conflict between Nemeth Code and Tactile graphics code #42637Lindy WaltonModeratorThis example from the Tactile graphics guidelines (Example 6-17) differs from the one in your first note because the labels in the 6-17 graphic are in UEB. The key list is rendered in the same code (UEB) which is why the Nemeth switch indicators are applied individually to the three labels. Keeping in mind that the items in a key are read as needed when the reader encounters them in the drawing, the transcription shown in Example 6-17 makes sense.
Lindy WaltonModeratorIt has come to my attention that using a single letter in a key causes conflicts with the rules of our codes. I would like to suggest that you use a numeric key for this particular item. Upper-cell numbers are used for keys constructed in Nemeth and will work well in this case.
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Lindy WaltonModeratorA key can be transcribed in either code -- UEB or Nemeth. In your sample, every item being keyed is Nemeth, so I would suggest that you open Nemeth after "below:" and terminate Nemeth right before the closing TN indicator.
In Nemeth, an alphabetic key consists of two or three lower-case English letters. [NC 26.9.3] Single-letter keys are not mentioned in the Nemeth code. You could use a numeric key (with upper-cell numerals).
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Keys read the same in either code (upper-cell numbers for a numeric key; no contractions for an alphabetic key of two or three letters). You do not need to insert an opening Nemeth Code indicator before the graphic.
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Lindy WaltonModeratorHi Dawn.
These certainly are a challenge. Please see the attached file where I hope I explain this special rule to your satisfaction. If not, please keep asking.
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You must be logged in to view attached files.Lindy WaltonModeratorHere is what I found, Julie.
Rule 4.6.8.b (words); Rule 4.8.10 (row headings in tables); Rule 10.5 (abbreviations in mathematical context); Rule 25.10.1 (text in a comment in a spatial arrangement)
See also page B-4 in Appendix B regarding remarks and tables.
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Lindy WaltonModeratorThe transcription is an accurate representation of the print notation.
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Lindy WaltonModeratorHi Julie.
Section 8.2 "Use of the Punctuation Indicator" is the main rule. Identifiers can be numbers, Roman numerals, or letters. Here are the subsections to cite.
8.2.2 The punctuation indicator is used after any numeric symbol written inside the switches.
8.2.3 The punctuation indicator is used after a Roman numeral written inside the switches.
8.2.7 The punctuation indicator is used after a "single letter".
Until an index is created for the code book, I recommend using the electronic version which is easy to search for key words. You can also click on the section number in the Table of Contents and it will send you to that section immediately.
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Lindy WaltonModeratorI would like to add that a subtlety in the Nemeth code narrative is that the word "sign" is used for the print character and "symbol" is used for the braille character. Keeping this in mind may help you as you read the rules.
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Lindy WaltonModeratorHi John. This is a very interesting puzzle.
See the attached brf file for the basic problems, which you can hopefully put into the method which you have established in this unusual layout. It looks messy at first glance, but if read vertically, as intended, it makes sense and follows all of the established Nemeth rules regarding alignment with cancellation and with regrouping numbers.
I think a transcriber's note would be helpful in this case where you have multiple lines of cancelled items. Something like "Red replacement numbers are located above each cancelled digit."
Let me know if this isn't working and we can try another approach.
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You must be logged in to view attached files.Lindy WaltonModeratorThanks for your reply, Kathleen! The curved line indicating syllable elision is typical and very familiar to me but I had never seen the added underlining before.
Lindy WaltonModeratorHi Connie. This is an interesting question because the transcriber's note is describing the print. I would still transcribe them in Nemeth, as they will be transcribed within the actual text.
I think you added the bold to point out the focus of your question, but if you are retaining the bold you can refer to Sample 11 of Graphing Calculator Guidelines (page 46) which shows X3T and Y3T within the narrative, also in bold print. The simbraille is on page 47.
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Lindy WaltonModeratorWhen numerator and denominator are printed at the same level of writing, you are correct not to use opening and closing fraction indicators. You do need to transcribe this using Nemeth symbols, inside the switches. There will be only one numeric indicator, before the 4 in your example.
_% #4_/6-1_/3 _:
I am happy to be able to refer you to the newly published 2022 edition of the Nemeth code, Rule 13.3.2.
Lindy
Lindy WaltonModeratorYes, that is correct. Do not space before the colon when it appears on the same line as the y, in this case.
Lindy WaltonModeratorHere are my thoughts on the symbol :=
Because the symbol has been defined to mean "is defined as equal to" it is one sign so should not be broken up.
If the expression fit on one line, there would be no space before the colon. A punctuation indicator would precede it. So it will be a 4-cell symbol, with a space following the equals sign. (456, 25, 46, 13, space)
This expression does not fit on one line. Our division rules say to divided before a comparison sign on the baseline of writing. I feel that the first runover line can begin with the punctuation indicator. This is an unusual formation so you should identify the symbol in a transcriber's note. Something like this: "The symbol ___ means "is defined as equal to". It is printed as a colon immediately followed by an equals sign."
I see no discrepancy in the division sites you have chosen. I am tempted, however, to make an exception to "displayed" format here and start the expression in cell 1, after a blank line. This will allow you to keep the "C" portions together on one line. This is breaking a format rule, but there are times when it benefits the reader to do so.
I think you need to insert a space after the word "Gain" as I believe it is a function name.
See the attached brf file for my suggested transcription of this long expression.
I invite anyone to chime in if my solution is problematic.
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