ricia2001
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Lindy,
As I just re-read your note, I realized that I do have a question/concern as to margins. As you said, 1-3 (NC itemized) would be for "1. Evaluate ..., and So, ...". Then if we are "using the ideas behind displayed material (with indented right margin) and nested lists from BF2011", shouldn't the left margin for the nested list be cell 5 since the margin for displayed within itemized with no sub-divisions (NC) is 5. Making all potential runovers in cell 11?
Thanks,
Pattyricia2001ParticipantLindy,
Thank you so much for your help and guidance. You explain not only how you think something should be done, but also why. I appreciate that so much since I really like to understand the reasoning behind suggestions, and not just "how to do it". You do a great job and definitely are a great help to us all.
Pattyricia2001ParticipantMy opinion is that it would be best to omit the decimal point in the diagram. The labels --Ones, Tenths, Hundredths-- get the point across. Trying to include the decimal in braille seems like it would be a distraction. HOWEVER, following the Tactile Graphics Guidelines, your layout probably will not be in table form. If you are showing the table vertically, you could insert the word ..decimal.. (enclosed in transcriber's notes symbols) between the Ones groupings and the Tenths groupings.
Regarding the blank tables for students to do their work, I expect in the classroom they will be working with counting blocks. ..Ask your teacher... would be an appropriate TN here.
ricia2001ParticipantJoanna,
Thank you so much.
Pattyricia2001Participant-1- You do need to have a TN at each occurrence, otherwise how will the student know when to ask for the paper? You can simplify it by saying ..Grid paper needed... or something similar. The tenths models are not grid paper--what about those?
-2- I think your idea of presenting only the face of the cube might lead to misinterpretation since, looking only at the face, the fraction or decimal would be 4/100 or 0.04 when the actual answer is 4/1000 or 0.004. I think you are safer following the instructions of the requesting agency. Keep the TN short, for example, ..Use a cube model...
Please write back if you have further questions.
ricia2001ParticipantNemeth Code does address font attributes. The only ones specifically defined are sanserif, regular, script, bold, and italic. In essence though, we are applying only bold and/or italic in our transcriptions. The rule says the font attribute is only shown if it has mathematical significance, although we do use bold and italic in narrative context also.
To indicate the highlighted digits with a long number you can do it either one of the two ways you suggested (I'm pretending like I didn't see your suggestion "c"). However, if you italicize the number, the italics is terminated by the use of another numeric indicator. 12345. [braille]#12.#3#45 Section 32
ricia2001ParticipantI think what you are identifying as a CONTRADICTION is actually an EXCEPTION. The navigation here is little bit tricky.
The basic provision is laid out FIRST in 7.2.1. A box is preceded and followed by blank lines. Next in 7.2.1f Interior box lines do not have blank lines, BEFORE OR AFTER THE BOX LINE. Before of after the box line ONLY. It does not address blank lines before or after other text, but ONLY before or after the box line. This is consistent with 7.2.1c and d above that states that there is no blank line follwoing a top box line or preceding a bottom box line. This means that there is NEVER such a blank line for any reason. This point is emphasized by repeating it in the case of interior box lines that happen to follow right after the top box line or right before the bottom box line.
THEN, we journey over to 7.7 Boxes within Boxes, which makes quite clear that this is going to be about interior box lines. 7.7.1 itself states that boxes within boxes are [u]"transcribed in a different mannner than regular boxes."[/u] And THEN we get to 7.7.1c Insert a blank line before a top interior box line WHEN (and ONLY WHEN) it begins on any other line than immediately after the topy exerior border and d. covers the bottom interior box line in the same way. Look at the accompaying examples. The blank line is inserted ONLY when the interior box falls in between text that it in the box, away from the exterior box lines of the main box.
I found that looking at the examples helped me to understand this. Please let us know if you're still stuck.
--Joanna
ricia2001ParticipantEven in spite of my numerous typos in the response we manage to agree! Thanks for your patience!
--Joanna
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